Merchant: Why Mayweather vs Margarito never happened

[Toney616]

Mike Cassell: Well, let’s talk about the other guys, Like Antonio Margarito.

Larry Merchant: Who Mayweather didn’t want any part of, by the way.

Mike Cassell: Well that’s why I don’t think there should be a question of Mayweather coming back. I think he has to come back. There is such a large part of the welterweight division that he seems to have just ignored. Guys like Paul Williams, Antonio Margarito, and...

Larry Merchant: And Shane Mosley. But that’s how boxing fans and boxing writers see it. Fighters today are not just fighters. They are entrepreneurs. They make decisions based on money. Mayweather didn’t want any part of Margarito because he saw him as a bigger version of Castillo, who he had trouble with at lightweight. A very strong and very determined willful type of fighter

What do people here make of this?

[QADASHBANYAH1]

What do people here make of this?

If you watched the floyd post fight interview, floyd was giving HBO TONS OF PROPS. The reason being is that people really think that they hate floyd and floyd hates them. They are actually good for floyd and floyd for merchant etc. These guys are working together. There is no way whatsoever anyone can convince me that someone with merchants knowledge just doesnt see mayweathers greatness.

Castillo at a smaller weight was much more quicker than margarito. It wasnt even the same fight whatsoever. Margarito has no defense, and could easily be pot shotted for 12 rounds. This is just true, plus even arum stated that floyd would have taken the fight, but couldnt get around what he would have been getting for hatton, cotto etc.

[Toney616]

If you watched the floyd post fight interview, floyd was giving HBO TONS OF PROPS. The reason being is that people really think that they hate floyd and floyd hates them. They are actually good for floyd and floyd for merchant etc. These guys are working together. There is no way whatsoever anyone can convince me that someone with merchants knowledge just doesnt see mayweathers greatness.

Castillo at a smaller weight was much more quicker than margarito. It wasnt even the same fight whatsoever. Margarito has no defense, and could easily be pot shotted for 12 rounds. This is just true, plus even arum stated that floyd would have taken the fight, but couldnt get around what he would have been getting for hatton, cotto etc.

Where can I read about this?

[The Noose]

The comparison is about their walk forward approach and toughness.

Floyd couldnt just pot shot Marg as he would walk right through those punches. Floyd would have to be moving away constantly.
It would be a hrad nights work to deal with such a big monster like marg.

But i dont know about Floyd ducking him or watever. Floyd would UD Marg, but he probably prefered smaller, bigger pay days.

[Naldo]

Where can I read about this?

ESPN’s Dan Rafeal reported on this. The reason for the split between Mayweather and Top Rank was reported as follows in Rafeal’s 2006 article on ESPN.com.

“Arum said while Mayweather would have taken the $8 million to fight Margarito, he asked for a $10 million guarantee to fight opponents such as Miguel Cotto and Ricky Hatton, when Arum was only willing to guarantee $7 million.

Arum said Mayweather also asked for $20 million to fight De La Hoya, a fight Arum said he wasn’t interested in participating in.

‘That’s not in the cards,’ Arum said. ‘He wants $20 million for the De La Hoya fight? It’s not there. Sometimes, my man, you gotta know when to hold’em and when to fold’em.’”

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[Ray*]

Where can I read about this?

Just google search it, Mayweather was offered $8M to fight Margarito by Arum, Team Mayweather then counter the offer of Arum guaranting $10M to Mayweather to fight Cotto,Hatton and $15-20 to fight De la hoya. Arum said there was no money in the de la hoya fight and that he wouldnt want to be a part of that fight (Because of his conflict with oscar at the time), He then offered to guarantee Mayweather $7M for a cotto fight.

So $7M for Cotto who was a bigger star than Margarito? So a guy would make 8 against Margarito and then come down and make 7 against cotto? that was how Mayweather brought himself out and pursue the De la Hoya fight instead.

[Toney616]

ESPN’s Dan Rafeal reported on this. The reason for the split between Mayweather and Top Rank was reported as follows in Rafeal’s 2006 article on ESPN.com.

“Arum said while Mayweather would have taken the $8 million to fight Margarito, he asked for a $10 million guarantee to fight opponents such as Miguel Cotto and Ricky Hatton, when Arum was only willing to guarantee $7 million.

Arum said Mayweather also asked for $20 million to fight De La Hoya, a fight Arum said he wasn’t interested in participating in.

‘That’s not in the cards,’ Arum said. ‘He wants $20 million for the De La Hoya fight? It’s not there. Sometimes, my man, you gotta know when to hold’em and when to fold’em.’”

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Thanks for this
I have to agree with Arum though, a 20m guarentee is a lot, whose to say there was enough interest in the fight for that kind of money to be guarenteed to a fighter in advance

[Ray*]

ESPN’s Dan Rafeal reported on this. The reason for the split between Mayweather and Top Rank was reported as follows in Rafeal’s 2006 article on ESPN.com.

“Arum said while Mayweather would have taken the $8 million to fight Margarito, he asked for a $10 million guarantee to fight opponents such as Miguel Cotto and Ricky Hatton, when Arum was only willing to guarantee $7 million.

Arum said Mayweather also asked for $20 million to fight De La Hoya, a fight Arum said he wasn’t interested in participating in.

‘That’s not in the cards,’ Arum said. ‘He wants $20 million for the De La Hoya fight? It’s not there. Sometimes, my man, you gotta know when to hold’em and when to fold’em.’”

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Sorry i didnt see your post before i posted mine, It nice to educate people sometimes on how Arum is full of ****.

[Ray*]

Thanks for this
I have to agree with Arum though, an 8m guarentee is a lot, whose to say there was enough interest in the fight for that kind of money to be guarenteed to a fighter in advance

You getting it wrong, Arum did guarantee $8M to Mayweather to fight Margarito and then Mayweather had to take out a clause in his contract where he couldnt have brought himself out.

But Team Mayweather were only going to do that and accept the Margarito fight if Arum had guarantee them $10M for the Cotto,Hatton which Arum didnt because he only guarantee team Mayweather $7M for the Cotto and Hatton fights both fighter who were bigger stars than Margarito at the time.

So Arum was wrong, You cannot offer more money for someone to fight a lesser known fighter, Then turn around and offer less money for the fighter to fight one of your bigger stars.

[GOAT86]

After the plastered handwrap scandal of Margo it seems like it was the right decision not to fight a cheater.