Why Rashad Holloway feels that Pacquiao would stop Mayweather

[El 7 Mares V.2]

This is the same ****** that claims Margarito hit him with plaster during sparring, this moron it's only on the news when he's stirring **** up because as a boxer he is nothing but a bum.

[MACAQUEINBLACK]

Oscar in May 2007 was an old fighter as well, a very inactive part time fighter full time promoter.

What made Hatton much better at 147 then 140?

You want to go all the way back to Corrales and Castillo. Why don't you go all the way back to Ledwaba and Barrera. You should check where they were rated at the time.

Floyd has never fought anybody as versatile as that prime Barrera.

Floyd has never fought anybody as slick as Sasakul.

You should mention that.

Oh and since you want to bring up that JMM arguably beat Pac. Then why didn't you also bring up that Castillo arguably beat Floyd?

I mean what is the agenda that you have going on here bro?

I did mention Barrera, I only omitted him from the list of 'great' wins that can legitimately be argued or detracted from in any way. Maybe Barrera didn't prep his best the first time out against Pac, but I'm not gonna hold that against Manny.

I also omitted a bunch of creditable wins for Mayweather, as I omitted Sasakul and Ledwaba.


It's not the weight that made Hatton better against Floyd than against Pac, just as the weight doesn't make Pac's win any more creditable - it's where the fighter was at performance-wise. I always argued against the theory that Hatton 'threw the gameplan away' against Pac, he was trying to fight the gameplan but didn't have the ability - I always argued from November 2008 on that Hatton's performance against a very poor Malignaggi was not in any way impressive and that the same approach would get him merked against Pacquiao. Of course Ricky was better against Floyd - tactically, he was fighting his fight at the pace he needed to fight it. Mayweather Sr. slowed him down, made him think twice about everything, plus EVERBODY saw the wear and tear on Ricky before he even fought Pacquiao, that flattering performance against Paulie concealed it, but EVERYBODY remarked upon how deteriorated Hatton looked from a career of rough fights topped off by a slow, steady, brutal beating by Floyd.

Yes, Oscar was past-prime against Floyd, but he was at a healthy weight, coming off a stellar KO of Mayorga a year before, and he was FLAT-OUT CATABOLIC against Pacquiao. When the naturally markedly bigger man, who's been campaigning up at higher weights for years, comes in a pound under than the little guy on fight-night, you know something is seriously up. You've heard Roach's comments about his reasoning for accepting to fight DLH. He saw how Oscar looked coming down in weight for Forbes.
Floyd fought a past-prime, but healthier, still far closer to optimum DLH, period.

I have no problem admitting there's an argument for Castillo edging one of his battles with Floyd. I didn't omit that for any other reason except Floyd clearly won his duo of battles with Castillo on aggregate (can't say the same of Manny in his pair of fights with Marquez, which are evenly split).



How is it an agenda to concede that Manny's résumé edges Floyd's and to also state there isn't as much between them as supposed in some quarters?

I'm addressing the comments of Rashad, who basically ****ted on everything Mayweather's done, and illustrating that so many of Manny's accomplishments can just as easily be discredited.

What's your agenda?

Back in November, I just wanted to see these cats fight and may the best man win. Now, after 5 months of unfair, hateful invective being directed at Mayweather on these forums by a phony moral consensus, I REALLY want to see them fight, but for a different reason, because I know Mayweather will kick his ass and shut those phonies up once and for all. That's 100% honesty from me.

Floyd will kick Manny's ass if they fight. Mark it down.

[MACAQUEINBLACK]

Great article, Great read also but i disagree with some of the stuff Holloway I would rather someone who spar both fighters, someone who has no bias predict the outcome

Stevie Forbes?

[Boxin']

Pacquiao has basically fought stationary punching bags his last 5 fights.. he avoids counter puncers like Marquez for a reason. Floyd is a better counter puncher, he's quicker, stronger and basically a better overall fighter than Marquez..

After Floyd dominates Pacquiao, you guys still won't give him his props

He avoids fighters like Marquez yet he fought Marquez twice?

True Floyd is better than Marquez but Pac has improved alot since the last Marquez fight too.

[Flawless*]

We already had this talk. Just cuz your black does not make you slick. Zab Judah is not slick. Judah is just as slick as Barrera or JMM. The slickest fighter that Floyd has fought in Corley. And, Corley was not as slick as Sasakul

Zab Judah is one the slickest boxer of all time. He was quick, had footspeed and quick reflexes

MAB and JMM are not slick at all. Being a good counter puncher or precise hitter doesn't make you slick

[mrdeewill]

For those who say Manny has improved.. look at the fighters he has faced since his last bout with Marquez. All guys with questionable chins, guys who come forward and guys are not real defensive fighters. I don'tknow if he has really improved, I just feel like they are selecting opponents who are not real threats to him.

There is not one advantage Pacquiao has over Mayweather. not punching power ( KO % is about the same)

[MACAQUEINBLACK]

Zab Judah is one the slickest boxer of all time. He was quick, had footspeed and quick reflexes

MAB and JMM are not slick at all. Being a good counter puncher or precise hitter doesn't make you slick

That's what he was trying to say, MAB and JMM aren't slick and that Judah is no more slick than they are (although Zab isn't comparable to either in style).


Slickness implies more than just the physical qualities you can develop, fluid footwork, quick hands, it also implies the cerebral ability to put it all together in a certain way. Judah can get wild. Physically, he has the gifts of a slickster, but he doesn't have the mentality. So I wouldn't personally go out of my way to desribe Zab as slick.

Just my take.


However, Floyd has faced a breadth of styles, and I omitted credible names in running through his greatest hits as I did in running through Pacquiao's.

[kING T]

"He’s very hittable" Speaking of Mayweather

Now we know he is a fool.

[fabie]

Thanks for this great article.

If anything this writing also solidified what I already feel about Pacquiao and Mayweather. That if anyone, they are both the anti-thesis of one another.

Contrasting styles but very capable of beating each other. It would a be fantasy to see both fight into a trilogy even! haha

But in reality I love the statement:

• Mayweather is a better boxer but Pacquiao is a better fighter

I really believe this. One can offset one another. Pacquiaio can definitely knock Mayweather with his full-throttle, flush punches from all angles, but I can see Mayweather also being very elusive and defensive can elude Pacquiao and issue effective counters and win on the later rounds.

But that is why this fight must happen.

[Pullcounter]

Stevie Forbes?

forbes is biased for floyd, but I have no doubt that Forbes has given the mayweathers inside info on the pac camp and tips on how to counter some of pac's tactics.