Do you think Wladimir Klitschko will be a top 20 ATG heavyweight at the end of his ca

[boxingking500]

No offence mate, but you're a Klit ball licker.

Wladimir Klitschko> David Haye

[Chunk..]

Wladimir Klitschko> David Haye

I agree......

[sunny31]

Evander Holyfield
Muhammad Ali
Joe Louis
George Foreman
Rid**** Bowe
Mike Tyson
Rocky Marciano
Joe Frazier
Larry Holmes
Jack Dempsey
Sonny Liston
Lennox Lewis
Sam Langford
Gene Tunney
James J. Corbett
Ezzard Charles
Jersey Joe Walcott
Max Schmeling
Jack Johnson
Jim Jeffries
Ken Norton
Vitali Klitschko

Right there is a list of about 22 who you could argue or are certainly ahead of wlad in the atg list. Probably others I have forgoten as well

[M.I Truth ?]

It would be easier if there was someone around that could truly present a threat. How he would perform in a situation like that would determine how great he is.

[sunny31]

Wladimir Klitschko> David Haye

Still doesn't make him top 20

During this whole argument you have not named one good heavyweight win on wlad's resume

[SoldierWarrior]

Yes, depending on what happens. And people **** on him because he is so talented he makes other fighters look bad, do people forget how talented the Klitschkos are? Its not that their opponents are horrible, its that they really are that great. They deserve credit, and people need to stop hating so damn much.

This is the same **** Floyd goes through, except Floyd is a bit more vocal about it to sell more tickets to his ppvs and ****. You beat some of the best fighters out their and still you don't get much credit for it. Now we all would like for certain fighters to fight each other, but some times it just doesn't go the way we want it. We see this pricing out **** Haye does against Klitschkos. Whos to say people haven't done that to Floyd?

[sunny31]

Yes, depending on what happens. And people **** on him because he is so talented he makes other fighters look bad, do people forget how talented the Klitschkos are? Its not that their opponents are horrible, its that they really are that great. They deserve credit, and people need to stop hating so damn much.

This is the same **** Floyd goes through, except Floyd is a bit more vocal about it to sell more tickets to his ppvs and ****. You beat some of the best fighters out their and still you don't get much credit for it. Now we all would like for certain fighters to fight each other, but some times it just doesn't go the way we want it. We see this pricing out **** Haye does against Klitschkos. Whos to say people haven't done that to Floyd?

The 2 situations are not even in the same stratosphere, how can you compare floyd to wlad!! Floyd's resume is modest because he compares himself to srr and srl among others, but he has still beaten corrales, castillo, hatton, judah, de la hoya, and other good fighters. The problems people have with his resume is that he hasn't beaten enough special guys, real great fighters the only one is oscar (marquez but weight and age count against him).

Wlad hasn't really beaten any good fighters. Can you name one? I am still waiting from the ts. I think wlad is a good fighter but I also named 20 who I think are probably better when you consider what they achieved and hwo talented they were. Wlad is extremely talented but is he an atg heavyweight? I don't think so...thats the argument

[SoldierWarrior]

The 2 situations are not even in the same stratosphere, how can you compare floyd to wlad!! Floyd's resume is modest because he compares himself to srr and srl among others, but he has still beaten corrales, castillo, hatton, judah, de la hoya, and other good fighters. The problems people have with his resume is that he hasn't beaten enough special guys, real great fighters the only one is oscar (marquez but weight and age count against him).

Wlad hasn't really beaten any good fighters. Can you name one? I am still waiting from the ts. I think wlad is a good fighter but I also named 20 who I think are probably better when you consider what they achieved and hwo talented they were. Wlad is extremely talented but is he an atg heavyweight? I don't think so...thats the argument

Eddie Chambers, Ruslan Chagaev, Tony Thompson, Lamon Brewster, Calvin Brock, Chris Byrd, and Sam Peter. Those are all good wins and are good fighters, but to you their not even though those same fighters could flick their pinky finger at you and KO you.

[joe strong]

wladimir will be top top 20 but vitali won't be anywhere near top 20 imo.

[$partacus]

wladimir will be top top 20 but vitali won't be anywhere near top 20 imo.

Vitali will be ahead of Wlad.