Dissecting the "Pacquiao must be on PEDs" argument

[Chuckguy]

PLAIN AND SIMPLE
ON THESE BOARD TWO THINGS ARE SURE
1. PACS FANS WILL ALWAYS THINK THAT FLOYD IS SCARED AND THAT IS WHY HE BROUGHT UP THE TESTS WHEN NEGOTIATIING WITH PAC AND THEY WILL THINK PAC IS CLEAN NO MATTER WHAT. EVEN IF HE COMES OUT DIRTY THEY WILL SWEAR THE TESTS WERE TAINTED.
AND
2. FLOYD FANS WILL INSIST THAT PAC IS SU****IOUS UNTIL HE TAKES THE TESTS AND THAT FLOYD IS TRYING TO CLEAN THE SPORT. AND IF PACKY TAKES THE TEST AND COMES OUT CLEAN THEN FLOYDS FANS WILL SWEAR THAT PAC IS STILL ON SOMETHING THAT CANT BE DETECTED

SO REALLY WHATS THE POINT OF THIS ENDLESS DEBATE

NEITHER FAN IS GOING TO SEE THE OTHERS POINT

[Eaner0919]

Dude, i know you wouldn't change your stance. I'm actually thinking you're a paid hack.

I'm all for a much stringent test for peds but to use this issue to malign a person just because he became a threat is what takes my goat.

no not really but it didn't fail me you think that way

here is what I have always believed as honestly as I can put

do I think Manny is juicing? I don't know. Honestly.

however, given the things I have heard firsthand from people in this business, I think it's fair to speculate about it

thus my debating this with those who think it outlandish to even approach the subject

that's it

if you look I really never claimed he is or isn't. Just went about setting the record straight on some aspects, debating the validity of the speculation in others and fortifying those who think it's okay to ask.

see what happened on here is now what is happening a bit towards me

Manny's fans have such a fervor for their fighter anyone with a discerning eye gets ganged. If it's a point it gets ****ted on etc etc. Then it moves into discrediting the person either by calling the nuthuggers or by dismissing their statements as lies. Fine I am a big boy and if I make claims then I better be prepared to have lash back for it.

can I prove that this was talked about prior to Sr? sure but honestly not without naming people who talked about in off the record type talking which I won't do and have never done even outside of this Manny talk

I am privy to a lot of that and what I pass on to people here is a high level sharing of that. I have shared way more information about other subjects than this in fact I haven't really shared anything about this other than I have had several conversations with people way before Sr stated it

but it is all depending on whether you the audience believe what I say

some will knowing that I have no reason to lie (I dont hate Manny at all and am friends with several members of his team) and have shared other information which turned out to be true

some won't because well to be honest I have no way of showing you anything without naming people who trust that I won't name them in anything

point though to me has always been this is a good subject to debate and one that can and should be debated without the name calling and slurs being thrown about

period

so hate me for what I state
discredit me for what I cannot share

I really have no reason to lie about all this

[Bennett]

Another thing stop acting acting like there is no way in hell he could be cheating. YOU DONT KNOW!!

thats like trying to convince the pope that god doesnt exist. the pacyow fans will never ever eveeeeer believe it, even if there was video footage of roach putting a needle in manny's ass they would deny it.

[PAKYO]

Pac was caught having 2 tubes of blood drawn 19 days away from the Clottey fight.

Yet he asked Floyd for a 24 day cutoff.

So, what conclusion did you get from that? Pac must be on PED still?

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

So, what conclusion did you get from that? Pac must be on PED still?

What conclusion did you get from that?

[koboy]

This is all pointless.

If PBF wins on May 1st, Manny has to agree to random blood testing, whoever demands it, PBF or the commission. Or sadly, there will be no fight because PBF will look bad if he suddenly allows the fight to go on without demanding testing. Manny is now in a bind and has to agree to random blood testing.

That's if Manny doesn't retire, which he is entitled to do so. Right *****s. I think he can sleep at night knowing that one day he will be in the HOF and quite possibly, but arguably, be discussed among the best fighters that ever lived.

Two things are for sure, that Manny never tested positive for illegal substance at any point in his career but must agree to random blood testing if he ever wants to fight Floyd in the future. FACTS.

[PAKYO]

no not really but it didn't fail me you think that way

here is what I have always believed as honestly as I can put

do I think Manny is juicing? I don't know. Honestly.

however, given the things I have heard firsthand from people in this business, I think it's fair to speculate about it

thus my debating this with those who think it outlandish to even approach the subject

that's it

if you look I really never claimed he is or isn't. Just went about setting the record straight on some aspects, debating the validity of the speculation in others and fortifying those who think it's okay to ask.

see what happened on here is now what is happening a bit towards me

Manny's fans have such a fervor for their fighter anyone with a discerning eye gets ganged. If it's a point it gets ****ted on etc etc. Then it moves into discrediting the person either by calling the nuthuggers or by dismissing their statements as lies. Fine I am a big boy and if I make claims then I better be prepared to have lash back for it.

can I prove that this was talked about prior to Sr? sure but honestly not without naming people who talked about in off the record type talking which I won't do and have never done even outside of this Manny talk

I am privy to a lot of that and what I pass on to people here is a high level sharing of that. I have shared way more information about other subjects than this in fact I haven't really shared anything about this other than I have had several conversations with people way before Sr stated it

but it is all depending on whether you the audience believe what I say

some will knowing that I have no reason to lie (I dont hate Manny at all and am friends with several members of his team) and have shared other information which turned out to be true

some won't because well to be honest I have no way of showing you anything without naming people who trust that I won't name them in anything

point though to me has always been this is a good subject to debate and one that can and should be debated without the name calling and slurs being thrown about

period

so hate me for what I state
discredit me for what I cannot share

I really have no reason to lie about all this

Dude, did you know i ****ed beyonce once? Would you believe me if i tell you i smacked her face too and there are several witnesses i cannot name as this issue is highly embarassing? I cannot and will not provide proof either you just have to take my word for it...

You may not believe me, but i have no reason to lie either.

Good analogy, eh?

[Pacquiao'd]

he avoided test. that deads the myth hes not onsomething. dude is hiding something

[PAKYO]

Newsflash. He thinks Pac could be on something.

Then he's not the best there is, he's a fraud with all his pronouncement that Pac is an easy fight as floyd is scared of his life.

FLOYD IS A FRAUD - burner

any more newsflash?

[PAKYO]

PLAIN AND SIMPLE
ON THESE BOARD TWO THINGS ARE SURE
1. PACS FANS WILL ALWAYS THINK THAT FLOYD IS SCARED AND THAT IS WHY HE BROUGHT UP THE TESTS WHEN NEGOTIATIING WITH PAC AND THEY WILL THINK PAC IS CLEAN NO MATTER WHAT. EVEN IF HE COMES OUT DIRTY THEY WILL SWEAR THE TESTS WERE TAINTED.
AND
2. FLOYD FANS WILL INSIST THAT PAC IS SU****IOUS UNTIL HE TAKES THE TESTS AND THAT FLOYD IS TRYING TO CLEAN THE SPORT. AND IF PACKY TAKES THE TEST AND COMES OUT CLEAN THEN FLOYDS FANS WILL SWEAR THAT PAC IS STILL ON SOMETHING THAT CANT BE DETECTED

SO REALLY WHATS THE POINT OF THIS ENDLESS DEBATE

NEITHER FAN IS GOING TO SEE THE OTHERS POINT

Clearly you're a floyd fan as your two points keeps saying Pac is unto something.

Why hide? No sense being a closet *****.