Terrence Dooley is a British nuthugger, but he is right about the fact that Vit needs to let Lennox be.
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He should, Lewis said he would give him a rematch and didn't. He retired.
I was a big fan of Vitali then. Never liked Lewis and thought of him as a ***** for saying he would give Vitali a rematch but walked/RAN away to retirement.
Still cant beleieve it took Lewis as long as it did to KO (the post prison) Tyson. Tyson before Cos died would have murdered Lewis.
Anyway Vitali deserved a rematch! He's champ now, he can do what he wants until someone else says otherwise. Hopefully Haye will make some noise.
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Originally posted by PittyPat View PostPuh-leeeeeeeeeeez. Quitting against Byrd is as real a loss as it gets. He should've taken a tip from Danny Williams (in the Potter fight) in how to look like a warrior with one arm hanging loose.
I like Vitali and all, but that quittage will - and should - forever be a blemish on his record. Byrd TKO9.
do you think Vitali quit because of byrd??
If you broke your knee or your shoulder in a fight,you can fight anymore,that's it.
I don't think Vitali is a quitter,sometimes you have no choice.
You know the guy was really injured.
Fake win for Byrd.I don't even argue anymore about this one.
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Wotcha guys. Did this as a little news brief and didn't quite expect this much of a kerfuffle.
I think that Vitali is good for boxing, decent fighter over time and a nice guy, but he's in a pretty weak heavyweight era and could well do without hearkening back to the time when he took on the last dominant heavy, and failed to beat him. He's the one highlighting the L over and over, why not just talk up the good things he's done?
As for the fight itself. It is not about punch stats. Or the scores at the time of the stoppage. John David Jackson out-statted and was out-scoring Jorge Castro but the Argentine landed a more effective, KO, blow and won the fight fair and square.
Vitali hit Lewis with his best right hands, trying to force the KO, he didn't succeed in stopping Lewis and took some rights himself. Lewis turned his shots as he landed them and really dogged them home, they opened the cuts and were, like it or not, the more effective shots. Both men traded, both men stood tall, but one man landed the shots that brought about the end of the fight. The wounds were gaping and the ref, in this instance, decided to stop it, nowt to do with Valero's fight.
Lewis was due to fight Johnson, who is pretty poor, but the fight fell through and Lennox then elected to fight his toughest, youngest rival. Lewis was out of shape, on his last legs, and there for the taking. Vitali tried to take him, he failed. It was a fair result.
HBO's post-fight analysis talked about the 'controversial ending', only controversial if you don't know the rules, or failed to spot that it was a right hand, not a butt, that opened the initial cuts. It was a phony controversy and they pretty much painted Lewis as the fortunate winner.
Lewis then retires, that is his choice. Vitali grabs the belt in a battle with a semi-retired golfer and then defends against Danny Williams, who is quite, quite mad, before preparing for a fight with Hasim Rahman. All the while, Vitali is talking about how that bad man Lennox Lewis promised him a fight only to retire and renege on that promise. Then Vitali breaks down in training, retires, and leaves Rahman in the lurch. So it is Ok for his body to age but Lewis is supposed to ignore the clear signs of aging that he is no doubt showing in training in order to facilitate Vitali. One rule for one and one for the other.
Still, smart move by Vitali, better than coming out with, "Sosnowski, it is what it is."
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Originally posted by PensionKiller View PostThat 25 mil was changed because HBO couldn't pay for it actually.
Vitali did well, a prime Vitali did well against an out of shape Lewis, but the fact is, he got cut by a 'punch' and that punch gave him a 'cut' and not a small one.
Basically a 38 year old Lewis beats 38 year old Vitali.
A prime Lewis beats a prime Vitali.
A prime Vitali nearly beat an old Lewis, but nearly doesn't mean actually.
PS. why do you only post when it's about a klit?
Lewis was the luckiest man alive in that klitschko fight. he held up the promoters for extra millions, Klitschko only got the fight about a week before it happened, he'd been training for an ordinary fight against a much smaller opponent. AND..............
if you saw the fight you'd have seen that actually it was difficult to give Lewis ANY round, the most should have been 1 drawn rd. The cut, was actually a tear, and almost certainly, medically speaking not from a straight punch, more like a lace or thumb, maybe plaster. The doctor was a fool and after the fight gave 3 different reasons for stopping it, each one different. MY favourite one is " I said "look up" and he couldn't because his eyelid nerves were cut and it drooped, making him unable to see...........{never mind that he was standing right over him and all Klitschko would have been able to see would be the doctor's navel, if he even heard him in all that hullabaloo, not to mention the 3-4 different shouting voices in his corner in a different language, not to mention that at that time Klitschko could barely speak a few words of English et.etc. etc.}
We ALL (maybe only nearly all) saw after the fight when Klitschko heard it had been stopped because he couldn't "see" how he jumped up, highly indignant, with BOTH EYES OPENED WIDE.............stammering "I can see, I see ver' vell", etc.
Lewis was almost 100% certain to go down for the count in the next round, and absolutely certain, in the round after that.
Just my opinion.
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Originally posted by Neckodeemus View PostWotcha guys. Did this as a little news brief and didn't quite expect this much of a kerfuffle.
I think that Vitali is good for boxing, decent fighter over time and a nice guy, but he's in a pretty weak heavyweight era and could well do without hearkening back to the time when he took on the last dominant heavy, and failed to beat him. He's the one highlighting the L over and over, why not just talk up the good things he's done?
As for the fight itself. It is not about punch stats. Or the scores at the time of the stoppage. John David Jackson out-statted and was out-scoring Jorge Castro but the Argentine landed a more effective, KO, blow and won the fight fair and square.
Vitali hit Lewis with his best right hands, trying to force the KO, he didn't succeed in stopping Lewis and took some rights himself. Lewis turned his shots as he landed them and really dogged them home, they opened the cuts and were, like it or not, the more effective shots. Both men traded, both men stood tall, but one man landed the shots that brought about the end of the fight. The wounds were gaping and the ref, in this instance, decided to stop it, nowt to do with Valero's fight.
Lewis was due to fight Johnson, who is pretty poor, but the fight fell through and Lennox then elected to fight his toughest, youngest rival. Lewis was out of shape, on his last legs, and there for the taking. Vitali tried to take him, he failed. It was a fair result.
HBO's post-fight analysis talked about the 'controversial ending', only controversial if you don't know the rules, or failed to spot that it was a right hand, not a butt, that opened the initial cuts. It was a phony controversy and they pretty much painted Lewis as the fortunate winner.
Lewis then retires, that is his choice. Vitali grabs the belt in a battle with a semi-retired golfer and then defends against Danny Williams, who is quite, quite mad, before preparing for a fight with Hasim Rahman. All the while, Vitali is talking about how that bad man Lennox Lewis promised him a fight only to retire and renege on that promise. Then Vitali breaks down in training, retires, and leaves Rahman in the lurch. So it is Ok for his body to age but Lewis is supposed to ignore the clear signs of aging that he is no doubt showing in training in order to facilitate Vitali. One rule for one and one for the other.
Still, smart move by Vitali, better than coming out with, "Sosnowski, it is what it is."
You should "call it like it is", not how you'd like it to be.
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Originally posted by Neckodeemus View PostWotcha guys. Did this as a little news brief and didn't quite expect this much of a kerfuffle.
I think that Vitali is good for boxing, decent fighter over time and a nice guy, but he's in a pretty weak heavyweight era and could well do without hearkening back to the time when he took on the last dominant heavy, and failed to beat him. He's the one highlighting the L over and over, why not just talk up the good things he's done?
As for the fight itself. It is not about punch stats. Or the scores at the time of the stoppage. John David Jackson out-statted and was out-scoring Jorge Castro but the Argentine landed a more effective, KO, blow and won the fight fair and square.
Vitali hit Lewis with his best right hands, trying to force the KO, he didn't succeed in stopping Lewis and took some rights himself. Lewis turned his shots as he landed them and really dogged them home, they opened the cuts and were, like it or not, the more effective shots. Both men traded, both men stood tall, but one man landed the shots that brought about the end of the fight. The wounds were gaping and the ref, in this instance, decided to stop it, nowt to do with Valero's fight.
Lewis was due to fight Johnson, who is pretty poor, but the fight fell through and Lennox then elected to fight his toughest, youngest rival. Lewis was out of shape, on his last legs, and there for the taking. Vitali tried to take him, he failed. It was a fair result.
HBO's post-fight analysis talked about the 'controversial ending', only controversial if you don't know the rules, or failed to spot that it was a right hand, not a butt, that opened the initial cuts. It was a phony controversy and they pretty much painted Lewis as the fortunate winner.
Lewis then retires, that is his choice. Vitali grabs the belt in a battle with a semi-retired golfer and then defends against Danny Williams, who is quite, quite mad, before preparing for a fight with Hasim Rahman. All the while, Vitali is talking about how that bad man Lennox Lewis promised him a fight only to retire and renege on that promise. Then Vitali breaks down in training, retires, and leaves Rahman in the lurch. So it is Ok for his body to age but Lewis is supposed to ignore the clear signs of aging that he is no doubt showing in training in order to facilitate Vitali. One rule for one and one for the other.
Still, smart move by Vitali, better than coming out with, "Sosnowski, it is what it is."
Klitschko devoured him, and i think that this made Lewis "think"...
Don't forget that Lewis was going around the talk shows saying that he was worried that Klitschko's "eye" wouldn't stand up to the damage he'd inflict on it, and that the fans wouldn't get much of a fight out of it. Then he demanded that K travel to London England, so that Lewis's personal doctor could examine the "eye" to make sure it passed muster. Which K. did, in fact I saw him 10 days after the fight on TV where he was showing that the eyebrow gash was no longer even visible, not even a scar, having been attended to by a top cosmetic surgeon.
There's a lot more, and it's a fact that Lewis waited another 4 months after the Johnson -K fight until there was talk of stripping him, before he finally retired.
He was actually retired as soon as he staggered to his stool after that 6th rd........
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Originally posted by Neckodeemus View PostWotcha guys. Did this as a little news brief and didn't quite expect this much of a kerfuffle.
I think that Vitali is good for boxing, decent fighter over time and a nice guy, but he's in a pretty weak heavyweight era and could well do without hearkening back to the time when he took on the last dominant heavy, and failed to beat him. He's the one highlighting the L over and over, why not just talk up the good things he's done?
As for the fight itself. It is not about punch stats. Or the scores at the time of the stoppage. John David Jackson out-statted and was out-scoring Jorge Castro but the Argentine landed a more effective, KO, blow and won the fight fair and square.
Vitali hit Lewis with his best right hands, trying to force the KO, he didn't succeed in stopping Lewis and took some rights himself. Lewis turned his shots as he landed them and really dogged them home, they opened the cuts and were, like it or not, the more effective shots. Both men traded, both men stood tall, but one man landed the shots that brought about the end of the fight. The wounds were gaping and the ref, in this instance, decided to stop it, nowt to do with Valero's fight.
Lewis was due to fight Johnson, who is pretty poor, but the fight fell through and Lennox then elected to fight his toughest, youngest rival. Lewis was out of shape, on his last legs, and there for the taking. Vitali tried to take him, he failed. It was a fair result.
HBO's post-fight analysis talked about the 'controversial ending', only controversial if you don't know the rules, or failed to spot that it was a right hand, not a butt, that opened the initial cuts. It was a phony controversy and they pretty much painted Lewis as the fortunate winner.
Lewis then retires, that is his choice. Vitali grabs the belt in a battle with a semi-retired golfer and then defends against Danny Williams, who is quite, quite mad, before preparing for a fight with Hasim Rahman. All the while, Vitali is talking about how that bad man Lennox Lewis promised him a fight only to retire and renege on that promise. Then Vitali breaks down in training, retires, and leaves Rahman in the lurch. So it is Ok for his body to age but Lewis is supposed to ignore the clear signs of aging that he is no doubt showing in training in order to facilitate Vitali. One rule for one and one for the other.
Still, smart move by Vitali, better than coming out with, "Sosnowski, it is what it is."
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