PACQUIAO passing all pre-fight exams and blood tests 19 days before clottey fight/

[Spacey1991]

I'm going to try to state the obvious here by saying that the State Commission is the one mandating the testing, not by Clottey's or anybody's request. My understanding is that Pac will take any tests the Commissions asks... sort of like following an authority. Heck if the Commission was to say I'm going to do a blood test on fight night, there's nothing Pac can do about it except to say he'd rather not. He won't like it but he would have to do it.

Good point, thats a pretty reasonable explanation. But I don't see Manny complaining saying it will weaken him like him and his team were during negotiations.

[IMDAZED]

Morales shouldn't have signed the contract if it was a problem. They agreed to fight at 130. Should we just let every fighter who can't make the weight come above the contracted weight? What do you propose as a consequence for such an advantage their opponent who adhered to the contract will have to deal with in the ring? Don't sign the contract then.

So before it was, Manny had to do it to Floyd because Floyd was dishonest. So why did Manny have to do it for Erik? Oh, because of suspiscion? Got it.

[Alibata]

Good point, Floyd has never failed to make 147... but they still said they want a $10,000,000 fine in the contract for every pound he is over 147, which Floyd accepted.

Saying all of these things about Floyd not having right to ask for random testing because he has no proof he is on steroids go both ways, cause you can easily say that Manny has no right to ask for a $10,000,000/per pound incase he is over weight because there is no proof of him not making 147.

Manny wanted to reassure that Floyd wasn't going to trick them with the weight and try to weigh over 147, which Floyd said fair enough and accepted. Floyd wanted to reassure that fair play was in order by asking for random blood testing up until 14 days before the fight (after negotiating) and Manny's team were having none of it.

I try to be as fair as I can here because I like both fighters, but that suddenly came to my mind.

There is a difference dawg. Making 147 is the weight class, it does not involve anything other than doing your job. Manny ain't gonna see the 10 mil and floyd don't gotta dish out 10 mil if he does his job. The blood test is something new, something that floyd has never required of his opponents before. It is invasive, involves needles and is disruptive if not physically then mentally. Nasty allegations preceded the requests for blood tests as well. All floyd has to do is do his job as opposed to having Manny bow down to floyds paranoid demands. thats bull****.

[Alibata]

So before it was, Manny had to do it to Floyd because Floyd was dishonest. So why did Manny have to do it for Erik? Oh, because of suspiscion? Got it.

Yes, Floyd is dishonest as well as it is only fair to not come in with a weight advantage over your opponent and there should be consequences should Manny accept the fight with a disadvantage in weight.

[Spacey1991]

There is a difference dawg. Making 147 is the weight class, it does not involve anything other than doing your job. Manny ain't gonna see the 10 mil and floyd don't gotta dish the 10 mil if he does his job. The blood test is something new, something that floyd has never required of his opponents before. It is invasive, involves needles and is disruptive if not physically then mentally. Nasty allegations preceded the requests for blood tests as well. All floyd has to do is do his job as opposed to what they are having Manny bow down to floyds paranoia. thats bull****.

This goes 2 ways, Manny will take the blood testing 14 days before the fight and test negative if he just does his job, it isn't going to weaken him. Asking for 10,000,000 per pound over is new, and Floyd has never not made 147.

How will it affect him? If you get a pint of blood withdrawn you regain it within 24 hours, I know people are different but an injection UP TO 14 days before the fight isn't going to weaken him,

All Manny has to do is his job and take the test come up negative and that is that, see it goes 2 ways? Oh and Manny was demanding Floyd for 10,000,000 per pound and Floyd "bowed down" to that, so why can't Floyd have what he wants? Why is it okay for Manny to have bull**** paranoia about Floyd making weight but Floyd can't have bull**** paranoia about Manny being clean, your not getting in the ring he is... he wants to make sure things are fair. Stop with the double standards.

Oh and don't give me **** about Floyd demanding things, Manny has been demanding loads of stuff for his past 2-3 fights. Be objective for once.

[Spacey1991]

Yes, Floyd is dishonest as well as it is only fair to not come in with a weight advantage over your opponent and there should be consequences should Manny accept the fight with a disadvantage in weight.

No, he shouldn't accept the fight with a dissadvantage over weight... that is why Floyd accepted his 10,000,000 demand, because he doesn't plan to go into the weigh in over 147.

But this goes two ways, why should Floyd accept the fight if he FEELS fair play may not be in order... he wants to make sure both fighters are clean and that no dirty tactics are in order.

So what is with the double standards? Why is it okay to you for Manny to demand Floyd to have a $10,000,000/per pound demand to make sure no foul play is in order but it isn't okay for Floyd to ask for random blood testing up t 14 days before the fight (up to, that doesn't mean there will be one 14 days before) to make sure no foul play is in order? Why is it okay for one and not the other?

It is no different for either guy, except Floyd accepted Manny's demands and Manny refused to accept Floyds demands.

[ИATAS]

Yeah? Why don't you find my quotes where I mention that I believe most top athletes are juicing? And why are you trying to switch the debate to me anyway?

I'm just sayin homie you spend an awful lot of time talkin about the pac situation when I don't see a peep from you about Bernard Hopkins, the Klitschko's, etc., who you also believe are juicing. So it makes me wonder a few things

I care because I care. Why does that bother you so much?

I don't really care. I'm just tired of seeing you day in and day out telling people that a certain boxer is most definately a cheater when in fact you don't know 100% one way or the other and at the same, you believe bhop & the klitschko's, etc are juicing and don't mention a thing about it.

The truth is, you're just another biased poster

Just calling it how i see it

on these boards who would rather dwindle the conversation down to a third grade level (Why does he wanna play big commissioner; he should take what he can get) instead of being honest with yourself in a public forum."

I'm sorry but I'm not the only one that thinks Floyd is a little out of line here. It's been echoed over and over on the interment as well as by public figures that believe floyd is in the wrong here.

Clearly there are two sides here. Those that think floyd is in the right and those that do not.
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[mattd48]

maybe all of this drama is just to hype the fight. They will end up fighting. Just because it didn't happen now doesn't mean it won't. Sugar Ray Leonard fought Marvin Hagler after announcing that he will never fight him. Imagine how much more money they will make if they both win their upcoming fights (both of them will have belts) and not too mention the fact that everyone is still talking about it and will keep talking. When was the last time boxing got this much attention and hype over a single fight?

[syphillis]

Good point, thats a pretty reasonable explanation. But I don't see Manny complaining saying it will weaken him like him and his team were during negotiations.

Here's my take on this, given that the training is currently going well since Pac didn't have a long lay off since the Cotto fight he doesn't need to be training as hard. But it could just be a smoke-screen for all excuses that can be had such as:
- he doesn't want to comply to Floyd's request and be played like how Floyd played JMM with the weight
- he only wants to comply with the State Commission
- he's hiding something

Really we don't know. I just hope that they fight each other before they retire.

[Sweet Jesus]

Here's my take on this, given that the training is currently going well since Pac didn't have a long lay off since the Cotto fight he doesn't need to be training as hard. But it could just be a smoke-screen for all excuses that can be had such as:
- he doesn't want to comply to Floyd's request and be played like how Floyd played JMM with the weight
- he only wants to comply with the State Commission
- he's hiding something

Really we don't know. I just hope that they fight each other before they retire.

No one gives a **** about your take.