Pacman vs Mayweather

[Pretty Boy Greg]

As most of u already know I am a huge PBF fan. Im not going to bash pacman for the taking the fight nor am I going to say Floyd was 100% right in these negotiation processes! Lets face it, both were wrong and their big friggin egos are making all of US (boxing fanatics) suffer. I'm not going to go over where both guys screwed up because this subject has beaten down in just about every thread on BS... u can call me a ***** and I can call u a *******, but the real loser throughout this whole fricking soap opera is US the die-hards... i feel like throwing up now

[Foodie One]

As most of u already know I am a huge PBF fan. Im not going to bash pacman for the taking the fight nor am I going to say Floyd was 100% right in these negotiation processes! Lets face it, both were wrong and their big friggin egos are making all of US (boxing fanatics) suffer. I'm not going to go over where both guys screwed up because this subject has beaten down in just about every thread on BS... u can call me a ***** and I can call u a *******, but the real loser throughout this whole fricking soap opera is US the die-hards... i feel like throwing up now

Written by Tim Starks

Monday, 11 January 2010 15:11

Mayweather


If I blame anyone above all others, it’s Mayweather. If he hadn’t introduced this blood-testing regime proposal, the fight happens. It was a wholly unreasonable request. Mayweather should know better than anyone that a 16-year-old fighter can rise from 106 pounds to 147 pounds by the time he gets into his 30s and still be great, because like Pacquiao, he did it, too. The only evidence Mayweather had was the su****ion of his shady dad, which isn’t worth a damn. Even if Mayweather truly thinks Pacquiao is on steroids – and Mayweather seems to think lots of people are on steroids now, like Mosley, for whom there also is zero evidence of ongoing PED abuse – I’m not sure what he’s so worried about. He’s said many times he can beat Pacquiao with ease, because Pacquiao sucks, basically. If you can make $40 million easily beating someone, steroids or no, why not just do it?

Ascertaining the true motives of Mayweather in any affair is nigh-impossible. But here’s what I think most likely happened: Mayweather wasn’t all that interested in fighting Pacquiao (I’ll get to why in a second); he posited the drug-testing idea as a win/win for himself; if Pacquiao walked away, he could say once again that he wasn’t the hold-up in making a fight happen – it was the other guy; if Paquiao accepted the fight, he’d come in angry and reckless, and Mayweather will have scored one in the head games department; and if Pacquiao won, even if he tested negative for steroids, there’d be enough of a cloud hanging over Pacquiao that Mayweather would have an excuse for losing; but when it came time to negotiate and either set aside the blood testing and fight or hold firm on his demand, egomania won the day, since Mayweather thinks he’s so very, very important and everyone should bow down to his whims. How cynical a ploy is it to mount a campaign that hinted Pacquiao was a big cheater for any one of those reasons, let alone all of them? Very.


If Mayweather wanted to avoid Pacquiao, it would very much be in character. He clutches at and cradles his undefeated record like Gollum and his ring, thinking, falsely, that his “0” makes him superior to all other fighters. Of course, it’s easier to have a “0” when you avoid challenges. Since 2003, Mayweather hasn’t fought one person who could be considered the best opponent in his division. He inhabited the junior welterweight and welterweight ranks when numerous pound-for-pound top-10 fighters have crossed through them over that time – Kostya Tszyu and Ricky Hatton at 140, Miguel Cotto, Mosley, Margarito and Paul Williams at 147 – and one way or the other, whatever the motives, he found a way not to fight them when they had no trouble whatsoever fighting one another. Now we can add Pacquiao to that list. I’ve called Mayweather a “” as a fighter, and I don’t mean his skill level – I mean this kind of repeated refusal to confront the top challenges or some facsimile thereof, as the trial balloons from his team of fighting Saul Alvarez or pug Matthew Hatton next (and, only marginally more defensibly among recent options, Nate Campbell and Paulie Malignaggi) point toward. When Mayweather returned to the sport in 2009 after a brief retirement, I said it was a blessing and a curse. Right now, it’s looking all curse.

[Dirt McGirt]

It's actually refreshing to hear someone admit that it's the fault of both camps, which it is, cos this forum has become pretty unbearable with everyone talking out their ass. At the end of the day no one was man enough to stand up and say "f**k it, I'll accept your demands, lets just fight".... that's what I found disappointing.

However, Pacquiaio has just shown why everyone loves him, he's gone and taken one of the toughest fights available, and that's why as a boxing fan I don't feel let down. Do you think Mayweather will do the same? I don't.

[B u r n e r]

Ey Lady Fan you had to stink up thread with the "blame game".

Howd you get a laptop in the kitchen??

[Pretty Boy Greg]

It's actually refreshing to hear someone admit that it's the fault of both camps, which it is, cos this forum has become pretty unbearable with everyone talking out their ass. At the end of the day no one was man enough to stand up and say "f**k it, I'll accept your demands, lets just fight".... that's what I found disappointing.

However, Pacquiaio has just shown why everyone loves him, he's gone and taken one of the toughest fights available, and that's why as a boxing fan I don't feel let down. Do you think Mayweather will do the same? I don't.

if he fights mosley then I will forget any of this crap ever happened but march 13th is too soon for SSM to return... as for the clottey fight, i like it, but it should of been JMM!!!

[Pretty Boy Greg]

Ey Lady Fan you had to stink up thread with the "blame game".

Howd you get a laptop in the kitchen??

both fighters are at fault and couldnt swallow their pride... why cant pacman take the 14 days? Why can floyd just take the 24 days?? both just lost a boatload of money....

[Carpe Diem]

Manny is not afraid of Floyd or anyone for that matter, he's just afraid of random testing. Yes, it's all Floyd faults.

[toyi]

Ey Lady Fan you had to stink up thread with the "blame game".

Howd you get a laptop in the kitchen??

Reported for being prejudice to a woman member and trolling.

[Doctor_Tenma]

Written by Tim Starks

Monday, 11 January 2010 15:11

Mayweather


If I blame anyone above all others, it’s Mayweather. If he hadn’t introduced this blood-testing regime proposal, the fight happens. It was a wholly unreasonable request. Mayweather should know better than anyone that a 16-year-old fighter can rise from 106 pounds to 147 pounds by the time he gets into his 30s and still be great, because like Pacquiao, he did it, too. The only evidence Mayweather had was the su****ion of his shady dad, which isn’t worth a damn. Even if Mayweather truly thinks Pacquiao is on steroids – and Mayweather seems to think lots of people are on steroids now, like Mosley, for whom there also is zero evidence of ongoing PED abuse – I’m not sure what he’s so worried about. He’s said many times he can beat Pacquiao with ease, because Pacquiao sucks, basically. If you can make $40 million easily beating someone, steroids or no, why not just do it?

Ascertaining the true motives of Mayweather in any affair is nigh-impossible. But here’s what I think most likely happened: Mayweather wasn’t all that interested in fighting Pacquiao (I’ll get to why in a second); he posited the drug-testing idea as a win/win for himself; if Pacquiao walked away, he could say once again that he wasn’t the hold-up in making a fight happen – it was the other guy; if Paquiao accepted the fight, he’d come in angry and reckless, and Mayweather will have scored one in the head games department; and if Pacquiao won, even if he tested negative for steroids, there’d be enough of a cloud hanging over Pacquiao that Mayweather would have an excuse for losing; but when it came time to negotiate and either set aside the blood testing and fight or hold firm on his demand, egomania won the day, since Mayweather thinks he’s so very, very important and everyone should bow down to his whims. How cynical a ploy is it to mount a campaign that hinted Pacquiao was a big cheater for any one of those reasons, let alone all of them? Very.


If Mayweather wanted to avoid Pacquiao, it would very much be in character. He clutches at and cradles his undefeated record like Gollum and his ring, thinking, falsely, that his “0” makes him superior to all other fighters. Of course, it’s easier to have a “0” when you avoid challenges. Since 2003, Mayweather hasn’t fought one person who could be considered the best opponent in his division. He inhabited the junior welterweight and welterweight ranks when numerous pound-for-pound top-10 fighters have crossed through them over that time – Kostya Tszyu and Ricky Hatton at 140, Miguel Cotto, Mosley, Margarito and Paul Williams at 147 – and one way or the other, whatever the motives, he found a way not to fight them when they had no trouble whatsoever fighting one another. Now we can add Pacquiao to that list. I’ve called Mayweather a “” as a fighter, and I don’t mean his skill level – I mean this kind of repeated refusal to confront the top challenges or some facsimile thereof, as the trial balloons from his team of fighting Saul Alvarez or pug Matthew Hatton next (and, only marginally more defensibly among recent options, Nate Campbell and Paulie Malignaggi) point toward. When Mayweather returned to the sport in 2009 after a brief retirement, I said it was a blessing and a curse. Right now, it’s looking all curse.

[Dirt McGirt]

if he fights mosley then I will forget any of this crap ever happened but march 13th is too soon for SSM to return... as for the clottey fight, i like it, but it should of been JMM!!!

He'd probably have to wait until May for Mosley to be available, but I don't think he wants to fight him either. I really havn't a clue who he's goina fight but we shouldn't have to wait to long to find out. It needs to be a big fight though, cos Pacquiao has raised the bar by taking on Clottey at 147.

The last thing I want to see is Pacquiao against JMM, for the simple reason that I think it would be an easy KO win for Pacquiao, plus I'd hate to see JMM lose badly, he doesn't deserve it. No discredit to JMM, but he's just too far past his prime and out of his weight range. Pacquiao would be a one way ticket to retirement, via casulty.