Comments Thread For: Moorer Says Pacquiao is No Cheat, Only a Hard Worker

[SceneSpectator!]

MOst of us knows that Pac did not cheat using PED and will not, ever! It just that many of us are hypocrites simply because they are *****s! Pac afraid of needles 23 days before the fight? Yes! Chides him anything you want but let Pac-Floyd fight without affecting both fighters mentally to find who's best!

[jetgeomcx]

Pacquiao started roiding up after the Marquez SD. Pac noticed his power fading as he moved up in weight and decided to do something about it. Juice.

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hey brah,...manny never gained in weight since march 2006!!

manny decided to move up to 135 against diaz right after marquez 2 because manny had a hard time with the weight.
and so he was not that powerful against jmm at 130.
it was just 3 months between jmm and diaz fyts...march 15 - june 28 2008!!
then he went on to fyt oscar in december 2008, climbing the ring at 148.5 lbs.

pac never bulked up with juice or anything!!

he was 144 fyt nyt in 2006 against morales.
he was 149 fyt nyt with cotto nov 2009, his maximum ever.
that is just 5 heavy lbs in nearly 4 years, dumbo!!
manny improved on his power bcoz he dont need to drain any weight, eats a lot and trains really hard!!

[EMIL2010]

*****S should stop ignoring this thread cuz Moorer says like it is.

[Jose Rizal]

why ask someone with a biased opinion?
offcourse he would say that

Yeah... let's take former crackpot and jailbird Mayweather Sr.'s word for it.

[keithvnz]

I don't think Pacman is juicing, though he's raising questions. I don't think Mayweather and Pacquiao are afraid of each other, they're more afraid of the risk, because if they lose, alot will change.

Best post I've read since joining this f uckn forum..

[fugu]

Lets ask Pacquiaos mom next.
Now both Moorer and Khan has said hes not on steroids. IT MUST BE THE TRUTH IF HIS MOM AGREES!!

[Carpe Diem]

MOst of us knows that Pac did not cheat using PED and will not, ever! It just that many of us are hypocrites simply because they are *****s! Pac afraid of needles 23 days before the fight? Yes! Chides him anything you want but let Pac-Floyd fight without affecting both fighters mentally to find who's best!

December 11:

Freddie Roach: I have no problem with the testing whatsoever. They can do whatever (Keyword: Whatever) kind of drug testing that they want.

December 14:

Alex Ariza: I am the one in charge, I am the one responsible for what Manny takes. He has no idea what he takes.


December 22:

Early today Richard Schaefer, CEO of Golden Boy Promotions, was contacted by Top Rank President Todd duBoef, who informed Schaefer that Pacquiao would not agree to have his blood taken within 30-days of the bout based on the fighter’s superstition of testing so close to a fight.

Richard Schaefer: Todd told me that Pacquiao has difficulty with taking blood and doesn’t want to do it so close to the fight. He, Pacquiao, would only agree to have blood drawn before the kick-off press conference and after the fight.

In that same day,

Freddie Roach: A urine test is just as qualified as a blood test. [Human growth hormone] is not detected by blood or urine.”

How is HGH test done?

More than one blood sample must be taken on different days, due to rapid changing levels of growth hormone. A test measuring IGF-1 levels may be taken in conjunction, as its levels change much slower. Before blood is drawn, the administering health professional should be informed of any disorders or medication being taken which can lead to bleeding at the site of the puncture.



December 23:

Bob Arum: Manny says that taking blood from him really weakens him. And he doesn't want to do it when he's in training, but he'll do it prior to going into training, and after the fight. Every major doctor will tell you that blood testing shows absolutely nothing.

Freddie Roach: For the record, Pacquiao (Remember, he said Pacquiao) is willing to have his blood drawn before he starts training and after the fight to be tested for steroids and performance enhancing drugs. It’s not like Pacquiao is saying no to drugs.


December 24:

Arum: This kid has a phobia for getting his blood drawn.

December 25:

Manny Pacquiao plans to sue Floyd Mayweather, the American's father and Golden Boy Promotions in the next few days following a row over doping procedures, the Filipino world champion said in a statement on Friday.

NYDailyNews. Tim Smith,

This isn't some issue that just came about. It has been a part of the contract negotiations for weeks. According to a source familiar with the talks, Pacquiao's representatives asked what penalties Pacquiao would face if he tested dirty, and also if a dirty test result could be kept secret so that the integrity of the fight wouldn't be ruined in the public eye.


December 26:

Manny Pacquiao: I have offered to give a blood sample the day of the announcement of the fight at the Press Release. I have offered to give a blood sample 30 days before the fight. I am willing to give blood immediately after the fight is over inside my dressing room. I am also willing to give urine tests at anytime any where everyday leading up to the fight. The truth is taking blood out of my body does not seem natural to me and mentally I feel it will weaken me if blood is taken from me just days before the fight.

December 28

Manny Pacquiao: I do not have anything to prove (to them) and hopefully, they would not succeed in destroying my image and the sport of boxing in the way they want it done. They want to dictate and step on the authority of the organizations including the Nevada State Athletic Commission. I am not guilty and I don’t have to prove anything because I have passed all tests in all my previous fights. I will all just see you in court.

December 30:

David Tyler interviews Freddie Roach.

Freddie Roach: HGH cannot be detected by blood, saliva, or urine. The doctors I've talked to said that HGH and any growth harmone cannot be detected by any test.

David Tyler: Fred, I have a graduate's degree in Biochemistry and 30 years experience in developing blood chemistry tests.....I'll leave it alone, let's move foward.

Freddie Roach: No wait, you can't tell me that there is a test that can detect HGH or growth harmones.

David Tyler: Fred, I'm not here to make you mad.

Freddie Roach: I'm not mad, I'm telling you that you are wrong if you think there is a test for HGH.

David Tyler: Ok Fred, so you are saying that HGH cannot be detected by a blood test?

Freddie Roach: Absolutely, 100%, NO! Saliva, blood, or urine.


Schaefer, whose company is representing Mayweather in the talks, said Friday he isn’t sure Pacquiao is aware that Mayweather agreed to cut off testing 14 days before the fight and to have it administered by the Nevada Athletic Commission.

Bruce Binkow, the chief marketing officer of Golden Boy Promotions, on Dec. 30 offered a 14-day cutoff as a compromise via instant message to Top Rank president Todd duBoef, who replied on Dec. 31 that “14 is no good.”

Schaefer said he believes the fight can be salvaged over the weekend and the first step is making certain that Pacquiao is aware of Mayweather’s 14-day offer. “There are reports [on the Internet] that Manny is not aware of this and we want to make certain that he knows what Floyd has agreed to do,” Schaefer said.

However, Koncz said he was informed of the offer by promoter Bob Arum and that he brought it directly to Pacquiao, who would not even consider it. Koncz said Pacquiao was very firm in his decision.

“Bob called and told us about the 14 days and I brought that to Manny and he said, ‘I told you, we’re not agreeing to that,’ and that was pretty much it,” Koncz said.

Dr. Don H. Catlin, the head of the Los Angeles-based non-profit Anti-Doping Research, Inc., said a 24-day cutoff for blood testing is not sufficient to prevent abuse. One of the concerns with such a long blood-testing cutoff prior to the date of competition would be the potential use of Erythropoietin, or EPO.

But Catlin said that wouldn’t be the only concern if there were a 24-day cutoff imposed.

“If you have a 24-day window that’s free, with no testing, you can take whatever you want and you’re not going to get caught, end of story,” Catlin said. “[Urine testing] does matter, yes, but they’re not going to catch everything by urine testing alone. What you would do is to take Mircera [a type of EPO], which is available and which is not easy to detect in urine and away you go. You need a blood test.”


The Mayweather fight is the fight the world wants to see,” Roach said. “It’s going to be the biggest pay-per-view fight of all time. But I think we will fight one fight before that.”

Roach said that Pacquiao’s schedule will be constructed around his political ambitions and the elections in the Philippines on May 10. “But there is a March date for him to fight,” Roach said. “People think I am crazy but I want him to win his eighth title against Yuri Foreman at 154lb. That’s my idea — then fight Mayweather in September. And then retire.”

The way Roach sees it, there will be no further blemishes on Pacquiao’s record by the time he greets retirement, although he does concede that Mayweather will be “the hardest fight of his life”.


“Mayweather’s a very difficult fight for Manny,” he said. “It won’t be physically the hardest, but it will be the hardest fight of his life style-wise. Mayweather is talented and he’s good at defence. I have a very good game plan for him, but I’m sure a lot of other guys thought that along the way.


At the end of the day, Facts > Opinions.

[the mesiah]

I was always wondering where mike Moore was hiding out at, he became a recluse since him and roach parted ways.hope someone gives Moore a chance to train, he's a hard ass but looks like he's a stand up guy especially by saying PAC is just a gym rat.

[Hotbox2]

Yeah... let's take former crackpot and jailbird Mayweather Sr.'s word for it.

You think you are hurting someone with you calling Floyd sr, a crack pot? haha Do you wanna hear the truth! The only crackhead is Freddie's brother who trains at wildcard Pepper Roach. He is so bad on drugs it's a disgrace. They have trainers that train at Wildcard that are drug heads and weed heads. That guy with the eye that is virtually closed is a drug head and sleeps in the gym. So lets clear that up okay! You fools wanna talk **** but the real **** is how ****ed up freddie and his family is.

[fugu]

You think you are hurting someone with you calling Floyd sr, a crack pot? haha Do you wanna hear the truth! The only crackhead is Freddie's brother who trains at wildcard Pepper Roach. He is so bad on drugs it's a disgrace. They have trainers that train at Wildcard that are drug heads and weed heads. That guy with the eye that is virtually closed is a drug head and sleeps in the gym. So lets clear that up okay! You fools wanna talk **** but the real **** is how ****ed up freddie and his family is.

Didnt his brother die?
If so, ******* move by you.

If not, im sorry.