Originally posted by masterdirector
BTW- Rahman may very well knock out Klit. Or Klit might do an Oleg Maskaev on his ass. Has Vitali ever even visited the canvas. Not to my recollection.
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What!? Outrageous! I'm not gay... though I do like that picture :wank:
BTW- Rahman may very well knock out Klit. Or Klit might do an Oleg Maskaev on his ass. Has Vitali ever even visited the canvas. Not to my recollection. -
The History of Cris Byrd vs. The Klitschko's
Byrd / Vitali
WBO Heavyweight Title
Referee: Genaro Rodriguez
Judge: Melvina Lathan 83-88
Judge: Ruben Garcia 82-89
Judge: Joachim Jacobsen 83-88
All for Vitali at the stoppage
In the second round Vitali felt a sudden pain in his left shoulder, which became stronger in the third round. Boxing practically with one arm during next six rounds (and leading on the score cards), Vitali refused to continue the fight in the tenth round because of an unbearable pain in his left shoulder. The ring referee announced Chris Byrd's victory with a technical knockout in the 10th round. As it was found out later on, the tendon fastening Vitali's left shoulder could not sustain the strain and ripped. Four days later Vitali's shoulder was surgically repaired, which resulted in an eight-month period layoff.
Byrd / Wladimir
WBO Heavyweight Title
Referee: Lou Moret
Judge: William Lerch 106-120
Judge: Axel Zielke 107-119
Judge: Cesar Ramos 108-118
Byrd down in 9th and 11th.
All for Wladimir
Wladimir dominated his opponent in each of the twelve rounds. After the second round, a large haematome fully closed Chris Byrd's left eye. In the ninth (2:32) and the eleventh (1:25) rounds Wladimir knocked Byrd down. When the twelfth round finished the referees unanimously announced Wladimir's victory.
I'm not sure what Roy Jones was trying to say. He often doesn't make sense and is much better boxing than talking about it.
Regarding Toney vs. the Klitschko's
Toney is a great inside fighter, the Klitschko's are master outside fighters. Toney has to get around their outside fighting strength before he can use his strength of fighting inside - giving the Klitschko's an advantage.
Toney's fought "3" heavyweight fights. An elderly Holyfield, a nobody Booker, and Ruiz who now has a reputation of loosing to former middleweights. Compare that to Vitali's 37 or Wladimir's 47 heavyweight fights.
Toney is 5'9". I believe the tallest opponent he ever faced was 6'3" and most of his opponents were much shorter, Vitali is 6'8". Wladimir is 6'6 1/2". The height difference between Vitali and Toney is nearly a foot! There are no facts to suggest Toney can compete with someone of Vitali or Wladimir's stature while the Klitschko's have made careers of beating shorter opponents.
Toney's performance was impressive against Ruiz and he would have a chance against Vitali or Wladimir, but I think Toney's toughness combined with his physical and style mismatch against the Klitschko's would result in Toney taking the beating of a lifetime against either of the brothers.Last edited by Torino; 05-02-2005, 12:14 AM.Comment
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Torino, thank you for writing the words you wrote. I read them, and it tells me that Vitali truly beat Byrd. I wish he did not get hurt. If Vitali did not get hurt, he would have a perfect record today. Vitali will be very difficult to beat forever! Vitali is the best champion! Thank you again Torino!Comment
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Originally posted by Winter
Vitali DID NOT beat Byrd.
He gave up his title because he was in discomfort.
Thats a resounding LOSS.
Evander Holyfield suffered the same injury in the 1st round, and fought 11 more rounds in a losing effort.
Vitali LOST that fight to Byrd.
Why are there so many of you that can't come to terms with that?
He LOST to Byrd and he LOST to Lewis.
Those were the two biggest fights of his career, and he LOST them both.
After that, the biggest actual wins he has are agaisnt Larry Donald and Kirk Johnson.Comment
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Vitali has outboxed every opponent he has ever faced. Vitali has always left the ring feeling better than his opponent. None of Vitali's opponents have ever had the courage to rematch Vitali. I think that means something very great!Originally posted by Bozo_no_noComment
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Vitali has never been behind on the score cards at the stoppage or at any point of any of his fights including his "losses" to Byrd and Lewis.
That's what I look for in a champion.
No other top HW can say that. Not Byrd....... not even Lewis.Comment
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Originally posted by Torino
That's like saying he was winning right up until he LOST.
Who cares if he's never been behind on the score cards. Look at who he's fought for the most part. LOOK at his resume before he fought Lewis.
Unfortunatly FIGHTING is part of the game. And when you're in discomfort and have to quit, or when your face has been split open to the point where long term damage could come into play, you LOSE.Vitali has outboxed every opponent he has ever faced. Vitali has always left the ring feeling better than his opponent.
Its wins and losses, and there are too many people out there that Praise Vitali as a heroic undisputed champion when the fact is he's just one of three unproven title holders in one of the weakest points in the history of the Heavyweight division.
You can sugar coat and twist the wording anyway you'd like, that fact remains:
Vitali Klitschko has LOST the two biggest fights of his career agaisnt the two biggest names he's fought: Chris Byrd and Lennox Lewis.
Despite your unaproval, or what you think would happen if Vitali fights this guy or the other guy,
his biggest most noteworthy wins are against Larry Donald, a 260lb Kirk Johnson, and a 39 year old out of shape Corrie Sanders.
That validates NONE of the overflowing acclaim that floods this forum.
Vitali Klitschko is a large unproven Heavyweight atop a VERY WEAK heavyweight division.Last edited by Bozo_no no; 05-02-2005, 01:22 AM.Comment
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???????............HAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHA.........!Originally posted by Bozo_no_no
Well.......This is your opinion and who am I to question it ? ............Most of what you said is opinion and not fact. I for one, never denied he lost.
......ENJOY.......!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!
And you will find something wrong with eveyone he fights from now on as well.
Lets see.... Byrd has no power, Ruiz lost to two middleweights, Toney is to short and fat, Barrett is a nobody, .........Old ...........Fat..........no power.......... no skill............. drugged..........a nobody.........and so on!
Just because you don't like him, doesn't mean I can't enjoy his 97% KO ratioLast edited by Torino; 05-02-2005, 01:32 AM.Comment
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Judges in Germany, mind you. And for those that think "Oh, well the judge wasn't necessarily from Germany" it doesn't matter. Judges are appointed by the sanctioning bodies. The fight was Universum promoted. So the sanctioning body in question would've been paid by Universum. The Klitschkos were a huge draw. Byrd can't sell out in his home town, let alone years ago in Germany.
Sanctioning bodies take a 3 percent cut of both fighters purses. Say Klitschkos made $10 million a piece to fight Byrd and Byrd made $500,000 to fight them. If the Klitschkos win, they stay marketable and its another 10 million payday and such for them, which means 3 percent of that 10 million keeps going to the sanctioning bodies. Or, they can get 3 percent of 500,000 to 1 million from Byrd, no matter who he fought. It was more lucurative for the sanctioning bodies to award the fights to the Klitsckos, even without actual bribery occuring.
Bottom line, Byrd HAD to knock the Klitschkos out in order to win. Byrd knocking anybody out is kind of unlikely. Let alone super heavyweights like those guys. I'm not saying he did or didn't actually beat either of them, I"m just pointing this out, that even had he won every single round against both, he still would've been ****ed on scorecards.Comment
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Originally posted by Torino
Hey, who am I to rain on your parade.
Here you go, enjoy:
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2004
Dec 11 Danny Williams WBC Title defence W KO 8
Apr 24 Corrie Sanders Vacant WBC HW Title W TKO 8
2003
Dec 6 Kirk Johnson WBC HW T Eliminator W TKO 2
June 21 Lennox Lewis WBC/IBO HW Title L TKO 6
2002
Nov 23 Larry Donald WBA Int'l HW Title W TKO 10
Feb 8 Vaughn Bean WBA Int'l HW Title W TKO 11
2001
Dec 8 Ross Puritty WBA Int'l HW Title W TKO 11
Jan 27 Orlin Norris Vacant WBA Int'l HW T W KO 1
2000
Nov 25 Timo Hoffman Vacant European (EBU) Heavyweight Title W UD 12
Apr 1 Chris Byrd WBO Heavyweight Title L TKO 10
1999
Dec 11 Obed Sullivan WBO Heavyweight Title W TKO 10
Oct 9 Ed Mahone WBO Heavyweight Title W TKO 3
June 26 Herbie Hide WBO Heavyweight Title W KO 2
Feb 20 Ismael John Youla European (EBU) HW T W TKO 2
1998
Dec 5 Francesco Spinelli European (EBU) HW T W TKO 1
Oct 24 Mario Schlesser Vacant European (EBU) Heavyweight Title W TKO 2
Aug 11 Ricardo Kennedy W TKO 1
June 5 Jose Ribalta W TKO 2
May 2 ****y Ryan Vacant WBO Intercontinental HW T W TKO 5
Apr 18 Julius Francis W TKO 2
Mar 20 Levi Billups W KO 2
Mar 7 Louis Monaco W KO 3
Jan 30 Alben Belinski W KO 2
Jan 17 Marcus Rhode W TKO 2
1997
Dec 20 Anthony Willis W KO 5
Nov 29 Herman Delgado W TKO 3
Nov 8 Gilberto Williamson W KO 6
Oct 4 Will Hinton W KO 2
June 14 Jimmy Haynes W KO 2
May 10 Cleveland Woods W KO 2
Apr 12 Derrick Roddy W TKO 2
Mar 8 Calvin Jones W KO 1
Feb 22 Troy Roberts W KO 2
Jan 26 Mike Acklie W KO 1
1996
Dec 21 Brian Sargent W TKO 2
Nov 30 Frantisek Sumina W TKO 1
Nov 16 Tony Bradham WBA/IBF Heavy Title W KO 2
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I put his losses in red, and noteworthy (I use that term loosely) wins in blue.
A 97% rate over that opposition is mighty impressive indeed.Last edited by Bozo_no no; 05-02-2005, 02:07 AM.Comment
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