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Originally posted by Calilloyd View PostDo you think that Pacquiao's promoter, a man once convicted of bribes to move his fighters further in the rankings, is going to have an objective view on this? You're the one who needs some common sense.
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Originally posted by check hook View PostPffft....it interrupts nothing.....and it does not physically weaken a human being to hve a teaspoon of blood drawn
8 weeks of training for Pac, lets assume he won't ever agree to testing the week of the fight so that make its 7 weeks of training to test on.
lets go with the smaller number that mayweather was originally talking about, 15 random blood tests (not including numerous urine tests that I'm sure Pac would be taking around the clock).
so if we "assume" that these tests would be spread out evenly (but randomly) throughout training then that would mean Manny would have to give approx. 2 blood tests a week (1 week having 3 tests), that's every 3 days. Really EVERY 3 days.
All because Mayweather said so ... I don't think so.
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Originally posted by red_shoelace View PostTeam Pac very early on already agreed to 3 blood tests from the get go, the most important one being right after the fight. I find it hard to a believe any athlete would be juicing it up all throughout training and then be squeaky clean 30 minutes after their competition. That's just not how roids/ped/hgh's work, they're supposed to be in your system in order to give you that edge.
Team Pac already agreed to unlimited urine tests throughout training.
Team Pac has already stated that they'll do whatever the NSAC rules for them to do. Why is Mayweather getting to set the rules for testing anyway?
Team Pac entered mediation to try to get this fight signed off ... *seems* like 24 days was what the mediator decided upon and Floyd still didn't want to take the fight. No one knows what went on in that room but 24 days is what a hired Judge put forth and it looks like only 1 side agreed to it.
Guess $40 million for a number 1 in the L column wasn't a big enough price.
You just made a mistake right there in bold. Just like everyone else on here you don't know **** about boxing or PED's.
You don't use most PED's during a fight for the best results. In fact for the best results you should be clean by fight night.....the benefit comes in the work bfore the fight.
"FOR THESE SUBSTANCES TO BE UTILISED AT THEIR MAXIMUM EFFICIENCY, THEY MUST BE PROPERLY CYCLED AND BE OUT OF YOUR SYSTEM BY THE TIME COMPETITION BEGINS" - VICTOR CONTE
Dr. Catlin sees the current Nevada State Athletic Commission drug testing protocol as inefficient and not up to date in terms of detection.
But he’s not a critic of the Nevada boxing board, in fact, he would be willing to work with the NSAC to strengthen its testing protocol.
“We’re getting better at this but did you know that, in the last 30 years, nobody has been caught using HGH because there is not a good enough test as of yet. You can stop using HGH for one day, just one day, and you can be clean in any test. They can use EPO one day and then it can be gone by noontime the next day. All the drugs are different, all have different windows (for detection). All we can do is to keep upping the ante, making the tests more random and stronger.
I think the present situation is bad for boxing in the public relations sense because I think fairness is so vitally important. But absolutely I would love to help Nevada, I would love to sit down and talk about what they’re testing for how and how they’re testing,” Dr. Catlin said.
“I am not saying we’ve got the Olympics all cleaned up, not by any means. But we are getting there.”
Mayweather, Pacquiao and all the rest had better get used to getting that needle jab because it sounds like random blood and urine testing is the wave of the future in boxing just as it already is in the Olympic Games.
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It's simple....wether you believe Mayweather is asking Pac for random testing is right or wrong.....wether you think he is doing it to psychologically impact Pac or to truly have an even playing field....whatever the motive is
The fact remains Floyd is for better testing standards in boxing and Pac in his refusal is not.........
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Originally posted by check hook View PostYou just made a mistake right there in bold. Just like everyone else on here you don't know **** about boxing or PED's.
You don't use most PED's during a fight for the best results. In fact for the best results you should be clean by fight night.....the benefit comes in the work bfore the fight.
"FOR THESE SUBSTANCES TO BE UTILISED AT THEIR MAXIMUM EFFICIENCY, THEY MUST BE PROPERLY CYCLED AND BE OUT OF YOUR SYSTEM BY THE TIME COMPETITION BEGINS" - VICTOR CONTE
Dr. Catlin sees the current Nevada State Athletic Commission drug testing protocol as inefficient and not up to date in terms of detection.
But he’s not a critic of the Nevada boxing board, in fact, he would be willing to work with the NSAC to strengthen its testing protocol.
“We’re getting better at this but did you know that, in the last 30 years, nobody has been caught using HGH because there is not a good enough test as of yet. You can stop using HGH for one day, just one day, and you can be clean in any test. They can use EPO one day and then it can be gone by noontime the next day. All the drugs are different, all have different windows (for detection). All we can do is to keep upping the ante, making the tests more random and stronger.
I think the present situation is bad for boxing in the public relations sense because I think fairness is so vitally important. But absolutely I would love to help Nevada, I would love to sit down and talk about what they’re testing for how and how they’re testing,” Dr. Catlin said.
“I am not saying we’ve got the Olympics all cleaned up, not by any means. But we are getting there.”
Mayweather, Pacquiao and all the rest had better get used to getting that needle jab because it sounds like random blood and urine testing is the wave of the future in boxing just as it already is in the Olympic Games.
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Originally posted by check hook View PostThats a deflection.....not an answer to my question
You can't answer it because he didn't know....therefore your whole ducking argument is completely discredited........and knowing it was Pac who ruined this you would not have a reason to live......
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Originally posted by ace2ace234 View PostCheckhoork you dont know too much yourself HGH on its own(the only drug mentioned that urine test's cannot detect) is useless,taken with other ped's now his a different story..im more than happy with random urine test's throughtout the training camp....
New gen EPO not detected in urine + other traditional blood doping...........also supplying clean urine to testers is easy
Im just saying 24 days is a complete cop out by Pac wether he is using or not.....
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Originally posted by check hook View PostYou just made a mistake right there in bold. Just like everyone else on here you don't know **** about boxing or PED's.
My post was a lot longer that that 1 sentence ... and I tried to encapsulate all types of drugs, hence the slashes.
What exactly do you think the Mayweathers are looking for in his blood tests? You don't know ... well that's cause they don't know either - they're just making this **** up!
I can't believe I'm losing sleep trying to have a conversation with you, thanks for the insult. good night.
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[QUOTE=ace2ace234;7196244]Checkhoork you dont know too much yourself HGH on its own(the only drug mentioned that urine test's cannot detect) is useless,taken with other ped's now his a different story..im more than happy with random urine test's throughtout the training camp....[/QUOTE]
Forget HGH...with a 24 day window of no testing he could take whatever he wants as long as they have clean urine or the right masking agents....it will not show in the urine......
Why aren't you more than happy for random blood tests?
Quite frankly boxing is behine other spors in leaps and bounds in it's PED procedures. Why do you think that is?
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