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    Drug Testing Guru: Blood Testing is a MUST for Mayweather/Pacquiao!!!

    Olympic guru: Blood AND urine testing must for Mayweather-Pacquiao

    January 5, 12:58 PM

    Boxing Examiner
    Michael Marley



    Olympic drug guru, Dr. Catlin, tells Michael Marley that blood AND urine random testing is must do, he is shown here with biker Lance Armstrong.


    Not to come off as any kind of bleeding heart but this random testing controversy between demanding Floyd Mayweather Jr. and so far refusing Manny Pacquiao may soon become academic.

    Whether or not Pacman accedes to Mayweather’s stand for Olympic-style testing of both blood and urine, it’s coming to boxing and coming soon.

    I spoke at length with the key medical figure involved in the constant refinement and upgrading of drug testing in the Olympics, UCLA Professor Emeritus Dr. Donald Catlin and he said, contrary to an article he published back in 2003, that BOTH random checks of urine and blood are imperative to keep athletes, in this case boxers, honest.

    “This kind of testing must be done,” Dr. Catlin said, “so the public can be sure, relatively sure, that the boxers are clean.

    See reporter Jill Lieber Steeg's superb March 4, 2007, USA Today profile of Dr. Catlin.

    “It may seem tough to some but we’ve got keep raising the bar, hoping they (cheaters and their helpers) make mistakes. We have to make life miserable for them and that is what random testing can do, what it is doing. We have to keep closing the window of time when they can cheat and get away with it.”

    First, let me make a point about the Good Doctor.

    (See how Olympic drug crackdown shook up the August, 2008, Beijing Games.)


    He is not, other than a longtime volunteer association with Don Jose Sulaiman and the World Boxing Council, any kind of boxing insider. He wasn’t really sure who either Bob Arum or admitted steroid user Sugar Shane Mosley were when I mentioned their names as he spoke from his home in California.

    Second, the doctor found it kind of amazing when I informed him that former BALCO ringleader Victor Conte, the guy who handed Mosley his cheater drugs and his doping calendar before Shane’s second bout against Oscar de la Hoya, is working with some boxers today.

    “Really, Victor Conte?” Dr. Catlin said. “He used to be the bad guy, he got caught and now I guess he’s supposed to be one of the good guys. I was deeply involved in the Barry Bonds case and in all the BALCO situations. We worked for years before we caught Conte.”

    I asked the distinguished physician and professor what type of illegal drugs might be most likely to tempt professional boxers.

    “Well, with Human Growth Hormone, the smaller guys might be less into that than the bigger fighters, the heavyweights. But we can’t be sure about any fighters using HGH, EPO and steroids without the blood and urine testing done at random times.”

    EPO is the drug that most people either accuse Pacman of using or whisper that he is using, the most likely drug enabling him to rise from a scrawny 106-pounder to the welterweight who has been knocking out foes weighing 160 pounds.

    Dr. Catlin makes no presuppositions about Pacquiao or any other athlete but he did talk about EPO.

    “That’s an endurance thing but nobody has done real studies on this in relation to boxing so there is no hard data on it. The way it is now you can’t be sure, in any given fight, that both fighters are not cheating.”

    Dr. Catlin sees the current Nevada State Athletic Commission drug testing protocol as inefficient and not up to date in terms of detection.

    But he’s not a critic of the Nevada boxing board, in fact, he would be willing to work with the NSAC to strengthen its testing protocol.

    “We’re getting better at this but did you know that, in the last 30 years, nobody has been caught using HGH because there is not a good enough test as of yet. You can stop using HGH for one day, just one day, and you can be clean in any test. They can use EPO one day and then it can be gone by noontime the next day. All the drugs are different, all have different windows (for detection). All we can do is to keep upping the ante, making the tests more random and stronger.

    “I think the present situation is bad for boxing in the public relations sense because I think fairness is so vitally important. But absolutely I would love to help Nevada, I would love to sit down and talk about what they’re testing for how and how they’re testing,” Dr. Catlin said.

    “I am not saying we’ve got the Olympics all cleaned up, not by any means. But we are getting there.”
    Mayweather, Pacquiao and all the rest had better get used to getting that needle jab because it sounds like random blood and urine testing is the wave of the future in boxing just as it already is in the Olympic Games.

    As Dr. Catlin said, nothing is perfect. But boxing needs plenty of improvement.

    DR. CATLIN:

    While Dr. Catlin was a UCLA professor, his lifelong interest in drug abuse expanded to doping in sports. He joined the UCLA School of Medicine faculty in 1972 and founded the UCLA Olympic Analytical Laboratory in 1982 to run the doping control tests for the 1984 Olympics. The lab's service group provided urine tests and drug education to national and international sports organizations, including the U.S. Olympic Committee (since 1985), NCAA (National Collegiate Athletic Association, since 1986), NFL (National Football League, since 1990), National Center for Drug Free Sport (since 1999, runs the NCAA program), U.S. Anti-Doping Agency (since 2000, runs the U.S. Olympic Committee program), and Minor League Baseball (since 2004). To conduct sports doping control testing, the lab's scientists were required to master analytical chemistry, drug metabolism and pharmacokinetics, as well as legal and ethical issues.



    FROM WIKIPEDIA:



    USA TODAY ARTICLE:

    #2
    -blood testing has not detected the abuse of HGH
    -EPO is detected via urine tests
    -NSAC uses WADA's list of prohibited substances. steroids are detected via urine tests. any steroid that would be detected under WADA, and hence USADA, would be detected by NSAC.
    -manny agreed to random urine testing.

    blood testing is completely unnecessary

    next.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Siggy View Post
      -blood testing has not detected the abuse of HGH
      -EPO is detected via urine tests
      -NSAC uses WADA's list of prohibited substances. steroids are detected via urine tests. any steroid that would be detected under WADA, and hence USADA, would be detected by NSAC.
      -manny agreed to random urine testing.

      blood testing is completely unnecessary

      next.
      World famous Physician who was head of USADA vs Siggy.

      Sorry, I'll go with Catlin.


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        #4
        Originally posted by Civilized View Post
        World famous Physician who was head of USADA vs Siggy.

        Sorry, I'll go with Catlin.


        no. you already chose what you want to believe.


        furthermore, HGH does not benefit boxers at lower weight classes becuz it unnecessarily increases mass (in organs and bone) and reduces stamina.
        plus, it is only fully effective when coupled with steroids, of which are detected by urine tests.

        again, EPO is detected via urine tests.

        go ahead and dispute anything that i said

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          #5
          Originally posted by Civilized View Post
          [SIZE="5"]“We’re getting better at this but did you know that, in the last 30 years, nobody has been caught using HGH because there is not a good enough test as of yet. [SIZE="4"]
          if olympic testing cannot detect HGH use, then why use it?

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            #6
            Originally posted by Siggy View Post
            -blood testing has not detected the abuse of HGH
            -EPO is detected via urine tests
            -NSAC uses WADA's list of prohibited substances. steroids are detected via urine tests. any steroid that would be detected under WADA, and hence USADA, would be detected by NSAC.
            -manny agreed to random urine testing.

            blood testing is completely unnecessary

            next.
            Although, no test is perfect, Mosley was never found to be positive for EPO until he confessed he did take it.

            Manny does not want random drug testing.

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              #7
              Originally posted by MindBat View Post
              Although, no test is perfect, Mosley was never found to be positive for EPO until he confessed he did take it.

              Manny does not want random drug testing.

              Manny agreed to all the random golden showers floyd wants

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                #8
                In 30 years nobody has been caught using HGH? Wow! So what do y'all suggest they do? Take a piss test every hour and blood test every other day?

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by MindBat View Post
                  Although, no test is perfect, Mosley was never found to be positive for EPO until he confessed he did take it.

                  Manny does not want random drug testing.
                  how long ago did mosley use EPO?

                  do they have new urine tests that will detect EPO usage?

                  thanx in advance for the answers.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by MindBat View Post
                    Although, no test is perfect, Mosley was never found to be positive for EPO until he confessed he did take it.

                    Manny does not want random drug testing.
                    exxxxxxxxxxxactly

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