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I know burner making at least 50 to 60 threads a day.Originally posted by Pullcounter View PostComment
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I'm spamming??..but the TS posts the same articles over and over again...Originally posted by Talisayen View PostComment
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then take the damn test if your cleanComment
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Say's the fans that wanna watch the fight. I don't give a **** if this was my dad fighting I would tell him to take the test to prove he's clean. How can manny fan's defend this guy?Originally posted by MaD vEiN View PostComment
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That's kinda interesting, but I am still concerned why Manny was so against the idea, I mean... why not have it random? Its a teaspoon of blood and will have no effect Floyd will have the same thing and it seems like Manny is trying to hide something (seems), if this was the case then he could just take the test and be known as clean and shut Mayweather Sr. up, you do know that proving them wrong would be the sweetest victory for Pacquiao right?
Heres an article giving a few other facts...
It kinda seems to me that both sides are being too stubborn and could negotiate and be more leniant on either side, say they do random blood testing... and can be tested at anytime up until say 7-10 days before the fight, because at the end of the day they aren't going to be used a week before the fight because that's when the training dies down. I mean it seems that this type of testing is going to be used, I just think both sides could be more reasonable... in an objective way of speaking, not just blaming one side like most guys are on this forum (Floyd stans/Pacquiao haters, Pacquiao syans/Floyd haters... they are both as bad as each other.Olympic guru: Blood AND urine testing must for Mayweather-Pacquiao
Michael Marley
Not to come off as any kind of bleeding heart but this random testing controversy between demanding Floyd Mayweather Jr. and so far refusing Manny Pacquiao may soon become academic.
Whether or not Pacman accedes to Mayweather’s stand for Olympic-style testing of both blood and urine, it’s coming to boxing and coming soon.
I spoke at length with the key medical figure involved in the constant refinement and upgrading of drug testing in the Olympics, UCLA Professor Emeritus Dr. Donald Catlin and he said, contrary to an article he published back in 2003, that BOTH random checks of urine and blood are imperative to keep athletes, in this case boxers, honest.
“This kind of testing must be done,” Dr. Catlin said, “so the public can be sure, relatively sure, that the boxers are clean.
See reporter Jill Lieber Steeg's superb March 4, 2007, USA Today profile of Dr. Catlin.
“It may seem tough to some but we’ve got keep raising the bar, hoping they (cheaters and their helpers) make mistakes. We have to make life miserable for them and that is what random testing can do, what it is doing. We have to keep closing the window of time when they can cheat and get away with it.”
First, let me make a point about the Good Doctor.
(See how Olympic drug crackdown shook up the August, 2008, Beijing Games.)
He is not, other than a longtime volunteer association with Don Jose Sulaiman and the World Boxing Council, any kind of boxing insider. He wasn’t really sure who either Bob Arum or admitted steroid user Sugar Shane Mosley were when I mentioned their names as he spoke from his home in California.
Second, the doctor found it kind of amazing when I informed him that former BALCO ringleader Victor Conte, the guy who handed Mosley his cheater drugs and his doping calendar before Shane’s second bout against Oscar de la Hoya, is working with some boxers today.
“Really, Victor Conte?” Dr. Catlin said. “He used to be the bad guy, he got caught and now I guess he’s supposed to be one of the good guys. I was deeply involved in the Barry Bonds case and in all the BALCO situations. We worked for years before we caught Conte.”
I asked the distinguished physician and professor what type of illegal drugs might be most likely to tempt professional boxers.
“Well, with Human Growth Hormone, the smaller guys might be less into that than the bigger fighters, the heavyweights. But we can’t be sure about any fighters using HGH, EPO and steroids without the blood and urine testing done at random times.”
EPO is the drug that most people either accuse Pacman of using or whisper that he is using, the most likely drug enabling him to rise from a scrawny 106-pounder to the welterweight who has been knocking out foes weighing 160 pounds.
Dr. Catlin makes no presuppositions about Pacquiao or any other athlete but he did talk about EPO.
“That’s an endurance thing but nobody has done real studies on this in relation to boxing so there is no hard data on it. The way it is now you can’t be sure, in any given fight, that both fighters are not cheating.”
Dr. Catlin sees the current Nevada State Athletic Commission drug testing protocol as inefficient and not up to date in terms of detection.
But he’s not a critic of the Nevada boxing board, in fact, he would be willing to work with the NSAC to strengthen its testing protocol.
“We’re getting better at this but did you know that, in the last 30 years, nobody has been caught using HGH because there is not a good enough test as of yet. You can stop using HGH for one day, just one day, and you can be clean in any test. They can use EPO one day and then it can be gone by noontime the next day. All the drugs are different, all have different windows (for detection). All we can do is to keep upping the ante, making the tests more random and stronger.
“I think the present situation is bad for boxing in the public relations sense because I think fairness is so vitally important. But absolutely I would love to help Nevada, I would love to sit down and talk about what they’re testing for how and how they’re testing,” Dr. Catlin said.
“I am not saying we’ve got the Olympics all cleaned up, not by any means. But we are getting there.”
Mayweather, Pacquiao and all the rest had better get used to getting that needle jab because it sounds like random blood and urine testing is the wave of the future in boxing just as it already is in the Olympic Games.
At the end of the day, we can keep posting these articles showing facts... but we are all gonna keep going back to back trying to give facts to prove a point and at the end of the day all of us just keep repeating ourselves. I think we should just be more objective and say both sides can be more reasonable.
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I gotta admit that was kinda funny.Comment
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well i feel sorry for your dad for giving up his pride & directly concedes to his opponent even before the fight startsOriginally posted by KILLA RIGHT View PostComment
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And come on guys no need to spam her thread, I mean... I know I argue with her when debating but shes only trying to get her point across.Comment
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