Ruiz no show on BEST DAMN

[Duncan]

why wouldn't he show, do you think Toney would have slapped him in his mouth and didn't want to be embarrised?

I think its because he probably was too busy ******ing another dude in a sparring ring somewhere.

[Zn1]

You should take that Lewis-draw off that list--not to take anything away from Evander or your list, but that was clearly NOT a draw...

I didn't see any of the Ruiz-Holyfield fights, the first Ruiz fight I saw was vs. Kirk Johnson, who disappointed me incredibly. After Jones-Ruiz, I thought he was out of the picture, but Roy didn't want to stay at heavy, leading to Ruiz vs. Rahman, and Rahman disappointed me incredibly. I avoided the last two Ruiz debacles (thankfully) but I will watch tomorrow because it's not PPV...I take Ruiz UD 12 because Toney will run out of gas and will not be able to outbox Ruiz consistently...I think a DQ is very possible...if Toney is getting beaten and he wants an out, he may hold and hit until Ruiz goes down or headbutt or something...could be interesting.

your not the only person to think toney is gonna get DQ'd

some peeps are even staking points on it lol

[Duncan]

Toney is gonna lose, I wanna hear him run his mouth when he loses.

If Toney loses, it will because of more of that hugging **** from Ruiz. If that happens, then all of us who like boxing freaking lose. What a way to try to capture the public to watch boxing- have a disrespectful, whiny ass guy who likes to fondle other dudes wearing one of the belts. Fantastic.

[Duncan]

Like a true champion, Ruiz was over in New York training for his bout unlike Toney. Best Damn is taped in L.A. Anyways.

Why does your Name tag say "reneges on fake bets"?

[joe kurtz]

I think you guys are going to be surprised by how easily Ruiz handles Toney in the clinches and how he will be able to hurt the so called "iron chinned" Toney. You are building your boy up to be a killer but he is a weaker and much slower puncher than Jones was. Toney at 233 doesn't hit as hard as Jones at 200. Jones, aside from his speed, had very good power, better than Toney's at any stage of his career. Do you think that merely putting on 50 points, most of it lard, he would become a hard puncher? Bull****. The guy couldn't knock out an out of shape cruiserweight. How is he doing to hurt Ruiz who has been in there with Golota, Kirk Johnson, and Rahman? Do you really think Toney hits half as hard as even Kirk Johnson?

Toney was a great fighter but he's just a middleweight. True, Jones was a middleweight too, but at least he WAS a puncher at middleweight. A damn good one too. You do not take a middleweight with average punching power, bring him up to heavyweight, and expect him to start knocking guys out. Doesn't happen. The size of your punch is ultimately limited by the size of your frame. A 130 pound puncher who moves up to 140 will find that his punches no longer have the same effect on his larger skulled opponents.

No one becomes a better puncher by moving up in weight. It's true that a boxer's power increases slightly as he puts on more mass, but this is negated by the fact that his opponents at higher weight classes have heavier and bigger bone structures.

We've all got a right to our opinions friend, but I think your's is WAY off base regarding Toney.
Toney has MUCH more power than you give him credit for.
Yeah, in the latter stage of his reign at 160, Toney only had average power enabling outclassed fighters like Dave Tiberi & Glen Wolfe to go the distance with him, but that's because he was sevely weight drained & as a result had no real POP left in his shots. But, once he went up to '68 he regained his power. So much so that he was taking out very respectable opposition like former longtime lightheavyweight champ "Prince" Charles Williams out with one shot.
And, he's carried his power up with him through the weight classes. If he were indeed just a mediocre puncher as you say, how has he managed to retain such a high KO ratio while moving up. Hell, I maintain that he actually GAINED power while moving up from 175 to cruiserweight.
An "average punching", "overweight middleweight" doe NOT tear up an unbeaten, Val Barker cup winning, Olympic gold medalist, longtime reigning cruiserweight champion for 11 rounds & then seal the deal by dropping & nearly stopping him. Not does he stop a notoriously durable, 4 time heavyweight champion, who while admittedly WELL past his prime, still retains his physical toughness & ability to take punishment. All one has to do to prove this point is look at Holyfield's fights just prior too & after the Toney fight. 36 rounds against Ruiz, then taking the best of & beating Rachman, going the limit with & never being in danger of being stopped vs Byrd & then following the Toney fight, taking a bigger man in Larry Donald the distance.
If Toney is such a mediocre puncher, then why was he able to stop Holyfield when noone else could?
Seems to me he must have SOMETHING behind his shots.

[Kid Achilles]

His shots are accurate, well timed, and well placed. Also, Holyfield is an old, OLD man.

A counterpuncher with a small punch can still stun or hurt you because he hits you on the way in when you're not expecting it.

Larry Donald is an awful heavyweight and a weak puncher to boot, so Holyfield going the distance with him does not tell me Holyfield still has his chin. Unlike power, chin CAN and often does leave a fighter with age. Do you really think a prime Holmes would have been stopped so easily by Tyson? No way in hell. The Holyfield that went to war with Rid**** Bowe would have walked through Toney.

Toney beat Holyfield with skill and finesse and not power. He frequently hit him with flush shots and chipped away at him. Ruiz is too young and strong to be defeated like that. The guy's chin isn't perfect but it's solid and I don't think Toney will hurt him much.

On the other hand, I predict that Ruiz will hurt Toney plenty. Ruiz will wrestle him early on, draining him of what strength he has. I forsee Ruiz easily having his way with Toney in the clinches, who is impressive in musculature but lacking in real skeletal size. Once Toney's arms turn to lead from the constant exertion, and his power reserves have been taxed, Ruiz will whip out the right hand and then it's curtains for James.

Ruiz is a smart fighter who will do what he needs to. It won't be pretty but he'll get the job done.

[legend]

His shots are accurate, well timed, and well placed. Also, Holyfield is an old, OLD man.

A counterpuncher with a small punch can still stun or hurt you because he hits you on the way in when you're not expecting it.

Larry Donald is an awful heavyweight and a weak puncher to boot, so Holyfield going the distance with him does not tell me Holyfield still has his chin. Unlike power, chin CAN and often does leave a fighter with age. Do you really think a prime Holmes would have been stopped so easily by Tyson? No way in hell. The Holyfield that went to war with Rid**** Bowe would have walked through Toney.

Toney beat Holyfield with skill and finesse and not power. He frequently hit him with flush shots and chipped away at him. Ruiz is too young and strong to be defeated like that. The guy's chin isn't perfect but it's solid and I don't think Toney will hurt him much.

On the other hand, I predict that Ruiz will hurt Toney plenty. Ruiz will wrestle him early on, draining him of what strength he has. I forsee Ruiz easily having his way with Toney in the clinches, who is impressive in musculature but lacking in real skeletal size. Once Toney's arms turn to lead from the constant exertion, and his power reserves have been taxed, Ruiz will whip out the right hand and then it's curtains for James.

Ruiz is a smart fighter who will do what he needs to. It won't be pretty but he'll get the job done.

Hate to say it, but I think you're right. Ruiz will once again clinch his way to victory in an ugly and boring fight. I bet some points on Toney to win by KO or TKO just because I want it to happen so bad. The thing is, I don't even like Toney, I just get tired of Ruiz holding a belt.

[spinksjinx]

You should take that Lewis-draw off that list--not to take anything away from Evander or your list, but that was clearly NOT a draw...

I didn't see any of the Ruiz-Holyfield fights, the first Ruiz fight I saw was vs. Kirk Johnson, who disappointed me incredibly. After Jones-Ruiz, I thought he was out of the picture, but Roy didn't want to stay at heavy, leading to Ruiz vs. Rahman, and Rahman disappointed me incredibly. I avoided the last two Ruiz debacles (thankfully) but I will watch tomorrow because it's not PPV...I take Ruiz UD 12 because Toney will run out of gas and will not be able to outbox Ruiz consistently...I think a DQ is very possible...if Toney is getting beaten and he wants an out, he may hold and hit until Ruiz goes down or headbutt or something...could be interesting.

Those are going by the record books not on personal opinions, although I feel the same just as the record states...

Duncan-Me and Joe Boxer made a bet for 10 million and I lost and I didnt pay up immediately and made a post about how I would and didnt get around to it, but I paid him and he changed my avatar. No bitter feelings toward him though.

[Duncan]

Those are going by the record books not on personal opinions, although I feel the same just as the record states...

Duncan-Me and Joe Boxer made a bet for 10 million and I lost and I didnt pay up immediately and made a post about how I would and didnt get around to it, but I paid him and he changed my avatar. No bitter feelings toward him though.

Cool. I was just wondering if it was a joke or something like that.

[trevorjulien]

Y does Ruiz train ......all he does s hug anyway.... hate it or love it ....it works for him