For Those Who Approve Of Manny Suing GBP and The Mayweathers...

[VoodooChild]

Ok. Now here's what another scenario might look like:

Attorney: "Mr. Ariza, have you ever made the statement publicly that: 'I'm responsible for what Manny takes. He has no Idea what he takes' in the past?"

Attorney: "Expert #1, would a statement such as: 'I'm responsible for what Manny takes. He has no idea what takes' cause you to be concerned about the health and safety of your boxer?"

Expert #1: "Yes, it would cause some concern because I would not want my fighter in the ring against an opponent who may or may not be on illegal substances."

And other experts would be asked the same.

Cross examination

Attorney to Expert 1: "What from Mr. Ariza's record or training methodology would lead you to believe that his athlete is on illegal substances"

[MindBat]

Well, flat out refusing any additional testing probably would have done more harm than the current situation.


It seems to me that Team Pacquiao is willing to go above and beyond the normal requirements, but unwilling to put their fighter's best interest in the back seat.

So you see, it's a catch-22 situation with a damned if you do, damned if you don't accept to undergo additional testing procedures.

However, to claim that ONLY GBP and Mayweather Sr. are responsible for the public's perception of Manny is a very ignorant claim to make in light of the facts.

[MOREBASS]

So you see, it's a catch-22 situation with a damned if you do, damned if you don't accept to undergo additional testing procedures.

However, to claim that ONLY GBP and Mayweather Sr. are responsible for the public's perception of Manny is a very ignorant claim to make in light of the facts.

No doubt. Everyone involved is responsible, though I don't think the public's perception is anything like the perception of Boxingscene members, who judging from the posts and comments hold a 'Guilty until proven innocent' attitude.

[BlackHat]

Here’s where the rubber meets the road.

Drug testing has been mandatory in boxing for how long now?

No boxer is ever suspected of or accused of being on PED’s. BUT each and everyone is mandated to submit to drug testing as per the athletic commissions?guidelines, whether it‘s the NSAC or the CSAC.
That has been the precautionary measure in place and the norm in boxing for quite a while now, and is to be expected of any pro boxer to undergo.

Here’s the kicker for all of those claiming that Manny is being accused of using drugs unfairly when he has never tested positive for them?

Read carefully?br />
By Arum First acknowledging, agreeing to, approving of (insert whatever word you like) -- with Manny’s blessing no less -- to have Manny tested by the USADA he put Team Pacquiao in position to have Manny perceived as a possible candidate for using PED‘s.

Did you get that?

Team Pacquiao fell into the “pothole? so to speak, by acknowledging that additional testing via bloodwork was a viable option when it was first proposed to them by GBP who's representative, Richard Schaefer, stated was part of the first draft of the contract.

They learned that the USADA could not guarantee a cutoff date without jeopardizing any effective means of accurately detecting the presence of performance enhancers.

Here's the other kicker...

By later proposing that other testing organizations who provide their services to the NFL, MLB, and NBA perform drug testing on both fighters, Arum further implicates him in the process.

Had Team Pacquiao simply refused from the get-go to entertain the option of testing by an outside testing agency, they would not have the additional worry of having Manny perceived as being a cheater by the boxing public. And they would have avoided all the hassle of battling for a “cutoff date?to begin with.

Looks to be self incrimination on the part of Team Pacquiao to me.

Let’s put Mayweather Sr.’s comments aside for a moment.

Who wouldn’t be concerned about a public statement such as:
“I’m responsible for what Manny takes. He has no idea what he takes?/i>
in today’s world of performance enhancement use?

Who would have no concern over such statements particularly when it is a documented fact that other fighters have been tested and proven to show that they did use Performance Enhancement Drugs in the past?

That statement was read, and likely shared, by how many people around the boxing world?

Again -- by Team Pacquiao acknowledging publicly that USADA testing would be a viable option as long as there’s a cutoff date, they are just as responsible for what the public might or might not perceive about Manny.

Just a thought.

listen to your brother.

[MindBat]

Cross examination

Attorney to Expert 1: "What from Mr. Ariza's record or training methodology would lead you to believe that his athlete is on illegal substances"

I see where you're coming from. But I'm not willing to go deep into court case scenarios. The variables are unlimited.

My point is that before Team Pacquiao points fingers and claims that ONLY
GBP and Floyd Sr. are responsible for the public's negative perception of Manny, they need to realize they didn't help themselves by accepting to undergo additional testing procedures via outside testing agencies in the first place.

[MindBat]

listen to your brother.

The question is still: Why did Team Pacquiao accept Team Mayweather's proposal in the first place if they were confident of Manny's innocence?

[MOREBASS]

I think that Team Pacquiao accepted the testing by a 3rd party agency, before knowing of the USADA's policy on random testing up to the day of fight.

The cut off seems to be their only problem with the USADA's testing, and rightfully so, being that their fighter has openly stated that it affects him to have blood taken so close to fight night.

Whether or not that is true physically, we will never know...but if it affects him mentally, which it clearly does, then we can see why Team Pacquiao would object to this style of testing.

[VoodooChild]

I see where you're coming from. But I'm not willing to go deep into court case scenarios. The variables are unlimited.

My point is that before Team Pacquiao points fingers and claims that ONLY
GBP and Floyd Sr. are responsible for the public's negative perception of Manny, they need to realize they didn't help themselves by accepting to undergo additional testing procedures via outside testing agencies in the first place.

Why did the Mayweathers ask for outside testing agencies in the first place? Pac had tested clean for all of his previous tests and external testing was unprecedented in the boxing world? What were their su****ions based upon.

[MindBat]

I think that Team Pacquiao accepted the testing by a 3rd party agency, before knowing of the USADA's policy on random testing up to the day of fight.

The cut off seems to be their only problem with the USADA's testing, and rightfully so, being that their fighter has openly stated that it affects him to have blood taken so close to fight night.

Whether or not that is true physically, we will never know...but if it affects him mentally, which it clearly does, then we can see why Team Pacquiao would object to this style of testing.

That's where Arum and Team look to have made a foolish mistake.

You would think that before accepting or agreeing to undergo Olympic-style random testing, they would do more research on the USADA's policies and procedures particularly when Arum himself is an attorney with the resources to undertake such a task.

Instead, they find the option viable and assume "random" means
that cutoff dates would be allowed. They found out that "random" to the USADA means just that. The USADA further declines to guarantee a cutoff date for obvious reasons.

Whether or not Arum's statements of Manny having a phobia to needles is true, it was an obviously careless statement in light of the fact to the contrary.

But it is what it is.

[MindBat]

Why did the Mayweathers ask for outside testing agencies in the first place? Pac had tested clean for all of his previous tests and external testing was unprecedented in the boxing world? What were their su****ions based upon.

Obviously, they have their own reasons and concerns.

As Schaefer stated, the option to use Olympic-style drug testing was already written into the first draft of the contract and should not have been a surprise to Team Pacquiao.

The question remains: If Arum and Team were confident of Manny being clean, why would they entertain the option of implementing additional testing procedures by outside agencies if they truly believed Manny doesn't use PED's?

Why didn't they simply state: "We will not entertain the option of using the services of an outside drug testing agency when we are confident that the NSAC is more than adequate to perform the random testing procedures under the same circumstances" ?

Why make it more complicated than it had to be?