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    #21
    Originally posted by mikemurni View Post
    He is suppose to come in at 147. This is moot if he would just come in at the WW limit. They don't want him to pull the same **** as he did against JMM.
    Everything is ok with you people as long as its manny's way..if it was pacquiao request you people would be hatin on floyd here 24/7..How do we know he's not on the juice?? We don't so take the test prove that you're clean and that you won ur past fights fair.

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      #22
      Originally posted by big_james10 View Post
      Just as I said!!!
      come on... manny compromised on this one. he doesn't have to take the tests. yet he agreed but not to all of it. manny is right on this one.

      with that said, i believe the fight would go through as planned.

      im just having a hard time how anyone who has been following the sport can't see how much of a ***** move this is for floyd.

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        #23
        Originally posted by Talisayen View Post
        What??? Clapton rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
        blasphemy!!!!!!!!!
        you shall burn in hell for such blasphemy.

        clapton ripped off hendrix

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          #24
          Originally posted by aether View Post
          no, dumbass.

          i said manny believes its one of the reason why he lost. its the last time he gave blood right before a fight. i think taking blood won't affect a fighter that much physically. but manny's previous experience on it can definitely affect him mentally.

          roach has said a long time ago that no blood should be taken to close to the fight cause it will affect his fighter mentally. that has been their stand all along. yet floyd's camp insisted on such ludicrous demands.

          olympic style testing is excessive. correct me if im wrong, but olympians (especially boxers) have many tests cause they fight more than once during the games. manny and floyd are gonna fight once.

          this is a ***** move. plain and simple.
          Ok, you're wrong. The number of tests leading up to the competition have nothing to do with the number of fights they have. They are tested in between bouts, but that obviously doesn't apply here. Here is an article where the director of the usada talks about why a 30 day window of not testing leaves a huge loophole for a potential cheater.


          Here is the excerpt:

          But Tygart said the 30-day window would still allow an athlete plenty of time to dope with illegal substances not detectable by urine testing.

          “That kind of window is totally unacceptable,?Tygart said. “It would provide a huge loophole for a cheater to step through and get away with cheating.?br />
          And no, the after fight test wouldn't catch things like EPO which stays in the blood for a short time, but whose effects are felt by the athlete for much longer.

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            #25
            Now I understand that there should be compromise with this issue, and i completely understand if Pac(or his promoter) don't want to just bend over so easily to Mayweather's demands, but IMHO there should be no problem with this if there is nothing to hide. I thought that this was part of the contract from the start, and regardless of speculation if Mayweather feels that Pac will have an unfair advantage on fight night and Pac knows that he's clean then who cares about a little blood from your arm. On fight night both fighters will be giving blood in a less enjoyable way.

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              #26
              Originally posted by FELiX STURM View Post
              Everything is ok with you people as long as its manny's way..if it was pacquiao request you people would be hatin on floyd here 24/7..How do we know he's not on the juice?? We don't so take the test prove that you're clean and that you won ur past fights fair.
              are you ******ed sir? we know he is not on the juice cause he never tested positive in any of them. what manny is asking for is fair. would satisfy floyd's paranoia without being subjected to something he is not comfortable with. if he was on something, it would come out regardless.

              if you flip it around, id side with floyd. if roach started baseless rumors than floyd is juicing, and floyd agreed to undergo unnecessary testing with the exception of drawing blood too close to the fight but is willing to give right after it, then what floyd wants is justified. and manny and his team are being *******. unfortunately, that's not the case.

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                #27
                Originally posted by AllEyesOpen View Post
                Now I understand that there should be compromise with this issue, and i completely understand if Pac(or his promoter) don't want to just bend over so easily to Mayweather's demands, but IMHO there should be no problem with this if there is nothing to hide. I thought that this was part of the contract from the start, and regardless of speculation if Mayweather feels that Pac will have an unfair advantage on fight night and Pac knows that he's clean then who cares about a little blood from your arm. On fight night both fighters will be giving blood in a less enjoyable way.
                Exactly. From what I've read the Olympic testing was part of the original proposal. I honestly don't see the big argument over this. Do the testing and let's move on.

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by AllEyesOpen View Post
                  Now I understand that there should be compromise with this issue, and i completely understand if Pac(or his promoter) don't want to just bend over so easily to Mayweather's demands, but IMHO there should be no problem with this if there is nothing to hide. I thought that this was part of the contract from the start, and regardless of speculation if Mayweather feels that Pac will have an unfair advantage on fight night and Pac knows that he's clean then who cares about a little blood from your arm. On fight night both fighters will be giving blood in a less enjoyable way.
                  you see, that would be fine if manny has been proven of cheating before. but he has not. this whole issue has been started by mayweather's camp all along.

                  id hate it if manny bends over and agreed on such terms. he has been portrayed unfairly here by floyd's camp. they have suggested that he may be cheating even before this whole testing fiasco.

                  if it was up to me, id say take the ****** tests and fight, but i still think manny's camp has a legit reason why they won't undergo the tests.
                  Last edited by aether; 12-24-2009, 01:03 AM.

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by aether View Post
                    are you ******ed sir? we know he is not on the juice cause he never tested positive in any of them. what manny is asking for is fair. would satisfy floyd's paranoia without being subjected to something he is not comfortable with. if he was on something, it would come out regardless.

                    if you flip it around, id side with floyd. if roach started baseless rumors than floyd is juicing, and floyd agreed to undergo unnecessary testing with the exception of drawing blood too close to the fight but is willing to give right after it, then what floyd wants is justified. and manny and his team are being *******. unfortunately, that's not the case.
                    If he was on something it would come out... but after he had taken full advantage of it.

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                      #30
                      Originally posted by aether View Post
                      you see, that would be fine if manny has been proven of cheating before. but he has not. this whole issue has been started by mayweather's camp all along.

                      id hate it if manny bends over and agreed on such terms. he has been portrayed unfairly here by floyd's camp. they have suggested that he may be cheating even before this whole testing fiasco.
                      very excellent point my friend but your not stepping in the ring with Pac, and if Mayweather truely feels that Pac is using PED then why would he risk it? All the talk aside there is no reason why this should be an issue, if Pac isn't juicing(which a think he is not) then just move on with the fight.

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