Comments Thread For: The case for Tyson Fury to stay retired

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Tyson Fury has retired and un-retired so many times, but Owen Lewis argues that this time Fury should stick with it.
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[sbbigmike]

Dude got his whooped vs Francis nggodou worse than usyk fury been retired in his mind already...he needs to follow his advice and retire...

[thack]

Tyson would have stood in any era as would Uysk but time to say goodbye.

[hugh grant]

He's ruined legacy with Francis ngannou and usyk loss. Now he needs salvage operation by beating josh and ddd.
Always says there's someone more to fight? Fury s not had a 100 fight career like duran, so what's wrong with 2 more?
Nobody asked you to wait 10 years to fight josh. If you don't want Josh fight ddd first, the man who best josh.
Actually, best josh first, so at least you've equalled what ddd did

[Theshotyoudontsee]

Fury at his best was a huge man with small man skills. Fun to watch and highly skilled. Unfortunately Fury wasn't always at his best because of mental issues and drug abuse. That he was good enough to beat Klitschko and knock Wilder out twice while dealing with his issues is impressive.

Post-Wilder Fury is not the same guy. Wilder put alot of damage on him and at his age and having lost the ability to pull the trigger when needed, he is better served to retire. Of course he will fight AJ and maybe even keep going after that for money. But he isn't the same guy anymore. As happens with all fighters.

Detractors love to rag on fighters once they decline, and Fury is loathed by many. I prefer to look at the most exciting trilogy of the last decade between him and Wilder and just feel gratitude....two guys went in to win, aggressive and throwing bombs, putting on a show as warriors, as gladiators. That is rare in the sport these days. Wilder was not a great fighter but his power was very real. I respected him more after the trilogy. He went in to stop Fury. That trilogy was the stuff of legend.

Fury Usyk was two old guys sparring. Neither guy wanted to take it, they both were there for the big check.

Fury should stop but he wont. Too much money. And maybe him and AJ will be a good fight. Who knows.

[MulaKO]

Go the fugh away Fury
You won’t be missed and you’ll very soon forgotten
Just like a bad dream

[PRINCEKOOL]

The case for Tyson Fury to stay retired 'Is for his hardcore fans, to hang onto the idea that? He was apparently a all-time great Heavyweight fighter. Just take a good look at this thread already, you have certain folk in here? Saying things like 'Tyson Fury would compete in any era, but now it is time to blah blah blah'.

Tyson Fury has lost his last three fights, and all of those fights 'Should of really been stylistically way easier fights for him, if he truly was a all-time great Heavyweight fighter. Tyson Fury outweighed Oleksandr Uysk at the very least by 40 pounds, 50 + pounds in their rematch. Uysk is not renowned for his power punching or brute strength, so? Theoretically you would expect an experienced Super Heavyweight World Champion boxer such as Tyson Fury to excel in that type of stylistically match up'.

But instead Tyson Fury did not excel, he was pushed around the ring and smashed up during round 9 in their first fight 'And during the second fight, OIeksandr Uysk in my opinion from a share physiological perspective performed much better. The fight was less damaging and taxing upon him'.

Note: When you look back in history, and compare both Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua to true all-time great Super Heavyweight fighters such as Lennox Lewis, Wladimir Kiltschko and Vitali Kiltschko'. Oleksandr Uysk in my opinion, would of not beaten Lewis or ether of the Kiltschko's at their absolute peak. For the simply fact, that those true all-time great Super Heavyweight fighters, when they encountered classically physique Heavyweight fighters similar to Uysk in stature. Lewis, and the Kiltschko's would excel and clearly impose their super heavyweight attributes in those fights'.

'Oleksandr Uysk is the most accomplished active fighter in the entire sport of boxing, and pound for pound 'His wins over both Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua, are the greatest feats of achievement in the sport of boxing in the last 15 years'. But I believe the genuine all-time great super heavyweight fighters of the sport, would not find such a stylistic encounter a mighty struggle to the same level that both Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua have thus far in their careers.

This is because although Oleksandr Uysk is a great fighter, his best attributes 'Are not really areas of a fighters game, that you would expect to beat a true all-time great Super Heavyweight. Uysk has definitively been fortunate to appear in the Heavyweight division, during this boxing era 'He has exploited these modern day super heavyweight fighters, with the fundaments of boxing. His overall conditioning and endurance, and then just minimizing the frequency of unforced errors, technical mistakes produced during his fights'.

Be honest with yourselves? Does that really sound like a fighter, who would intimidate a absolute peak Lennox Lewis, Wladimir Kiltschko or Vitali Kiltschko? Uysk would be a straight forward fight for those great Super Heavyweight fighters in my opinion. Because what made those fighters great, is that they mastered the tactics of beating classical physique style Heavyweight fighters similar to Oleksandr Uysk and even more dangerous'.

Evander Holyfield at his absolute peak, or even outside of his peak 'Is a more formidable and complete fighter than Oleksandr Uysk. Lennox Lewis was embroiled in two competitive fights with Holyfield, but overall Lewis beat him and was the dominant fighter'.

David Haye, was definitively a more dangerous Heavyweight fighter than Oleksandr Uysk at his peak 'David Haye was effectively the Oleksandr Uysk of his era 'But with game altering power, in the form of Hayemaker's. David Haye the Lineal Ring ****zine, WBC, WBA, WBO, Cruiserweight Champion. And Haye technically should of been the Undisputed Cruiserweight Champion, Jean Marc Mormeck had beaten O'Neil bell who was the IBF World Champion and avenged a loss, but Bell was stripped of the IBF title'.

David Haye was my fighter 'But I will be honest. Wladimir Kiltschko made that fight, more straight forward than Fury and Joshua did against Oleksandr Uysk. Because that is what all-time great Super Heavyweights should do vs classical physique styled Heavyweights'.

To conclude: So, the main point I am trying to make is? Historically true all-time great Super Heavyweight fighters have been able to beat Classically physique Heavyweight fighters most of the time. It has only really been fighters such as Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfield who have been able to negate Super Heavyweights in this more modern era of fighting with their own great attributes. Such as supreme speed, power, skill, inside game and athleticism'.

Tyson Fury himself during the build up to his first fight vs Oleksandr Uysk I, made sure the entire boxing world knew? The history of the War between Super Heavyweight fighters and classically physique Heavyweight fighters. This narrative was played up so much by the media propaganda machine, that backs Tyson Fury. Many people within the boxing community, began to give Oleksandr Uysk almost no chance of beating Tyson Fury'.

Oleksandr Uysk in the first fight beat Tyson Fury in a manner which, nobody anticipated 'He pushed Fury around the ring, and smashed him up during round 9'. And then the rematch was more of a classical systematic performance from Oleksandr Uysk II, were as the fight gradually progressed? Tyson Fury's efforts became less effective, as he struggled to maintain his pace, intensity and boxing acuity'.

The case for Tyson Fury to stay retired 'Is that if he does not remain retired? Tyson Fury will most likely get smashed up by Anthony Joshua. And that will leave Fury's hardcore fans with nothing to hang onto, when they attempt to rate Tyson Fury as a all-time great Super Heavyweight fighter'.

Tyson Fury is one of the three Heavyweight Mountains of this era, and he is a great fighter 'But in my opinion, he is not an all-time great Heavyweight Champion or fighter' etc.

[landotter]

I think Fury should retire. I also think Usyk should soon as well, like take on the winner of Parker-DuBois to become undisputed, than a farewell match close to his home and retire this year. I think Beterbiev, win or lose, should retire after his rematch with Bivol. I think Wilder and Lomachenko should be done as well.

How many of these guys including Fury will choose health over the boxing high though? In team sports, when you no longer perform at a high level you are forced to retire because you cannot compete for a roster spot anymore. In individual sports there needs to be a realization you are done. In combat spots, self-destruction is far more common than self-realization is. I am tired of seeing boxer I have watched in their primes become shells of themselves.

[takenotes]

Fury's claim to fame was beating a 39 year old Klitschko and a trilogy with Wilder, who to be honest was a one trick pony and could not box. He almost lost to that guy. Other than that, who has he really beat? He almost lost against a guy who never boxed before, fought a shot Chisora 3 times and other guys like Whyte were compete garbage. When he finally fought someone good, he lost twice against a guy 6" shorter and 60 lbs lighter.

Fury's biggest advantage was his height but he had no power.

[JeBron Lamez]

This is probably the only situation in which cousin Paris is actively encouraging TGK to go do some coke & hookers looooool.