Comments Thread For: Tony Bellew cuts through clutter of Imane Khelif controversy

[Clegg]

Looking through this guy's twitter, it's all just complaining about capitalism, complaining about Trump, laughing that he got shot and accusing him of being a pedo, complaining about Ronald Reagan, complaining about Fox News, and of course he's complaining about people who don't want drag queens story time for kids. This is his priority in life, despite so many problems in the world, so many dead in Gaza and Ukraine, it's the drag queens being with kids that he cares the most about.

But you're telling us this article isn't driven by a political agenda? That the author is unbiased on the subject?

[R.I.P Chico]

The boxer was unfortunately born with their testicles undeveloped fully. Because of this the boxer was raised as a female. But tests show that this person has XY chromosomes, so is in fact a man. This person is too strong to be competing against women.

[JTfloyd]

I love how it's suddenly "ill-informed" to think someone who looks just like a man and has XY chromosomes...is a man. Or to think that the "woke" aren't totally fine with men competing against biological females in sports in general, "Lia Thomas" being a prime example. LOL @ anyone thinking that Bellew's dumb ass claiming "she's" a woman means it's actually true.

Not surprising that the article was written by someone who used to work for ESPN tho. It's not like they've been known to spew "progressive" propaganda or anything like that. I guess to him, it's "bigotry" to insist women should only compete against other women, and not people of extremely questionable genetics...with XY chromosomes.

[Roder]

This debate depends on people lacking a very basic understanding of biology. There are people who are not born clearly “male” or “female” in every single way. There are a variety of “inter***” conditions. There are people born with XXY chromosomes, who have male parts. There are people born with XY chromosomes but an androgen insensitivity that makes them have female body parts when they’re born. There are people born with XX chromosomes who get exposed to extra androgens in the womb and are born with a male organ. There are other disorders along the same lines.

All of these people get “assigned” a *** at birth so that parents can raise them as either a girl or a boy, but there really is objectively no clean-cut “right answer” about their ***. We don’t know exactly what condition Khelif has but it’s probably one of the inter*** disorders. Unless you want to argue that inter*** people should not be allowed to participate in any sport, male or female, because they’re neither, it seems reasonable to let them participate in the sport of the *** they were assigned at birth.

This entire debate wouldn’t be happening if political agents weren’t motivated to make you angry about the evil Other Side. It wouldn’t be happening if people were a little more educated, or at least willing to use Google before they got so angry.

[AmpMcv]

I always supported Khelif - in this dispute. She has a 5% KO record in over 50 fights but all these girls start crying suddenly after one makes a fuss about 2 punches that landed.

Yeah she should be banned. But it's the IOC who is the issue - not her. She's just following the rules. She doesn't have male *** organs and she was brought up as a girl. She's not cheating in any way. All the hate that was aimed at her was disgusting

You can't have xy chromosomes withouts having nuts. She has nuts.

[Roder]

You can't have xy chromosomes withouts having nuts. She has nuts.

A) You literally can. It's called androgen insensitivity syndrome.
B) Unless you have access to medical records that haven't been made public, you don't know whether Khelif has nuts.

No one but her and her doctors know her chromosomes, and she probably only found out when she was a teenager and got tested. All that the rest of us know is that she was assigned "female" at birth, which is usually done when a baby looks like it has female parts, and generally before any testing has happened (because usually it isn't even clear there's any reason to test at that point).

[Clegg]

Unless you want to argue that inter*** people should not be allowed to participate in any sport, male or female, because they’re neither, it seems reasonable to let them participate in the sport of the *** they were assigned at birth.

Myself and a lot of others would argue that if you have a DSD then you shouldn't be able to compete against women. It is not 'reasonable' to allow them to fight vs women if they have a biological advantage, testosterone, stronger bones, muscles etc.

[Roder]

Myself and a lot of others would argue that if you have a DSD then you shouldn't be able to compete against women. It is not 'reasonable' to allow them to fight vs women if they have a biological advantage, testosterone, stronger bones, muscles etc.

Why? You definitely don’t hold men’s sports to the same standards. No one ever argued that Michael Phelps shouldn’t be allowed to compete against men because he’s a genetic freak compared to them, even though he absolutely is. Men’s sports exist for “men”, not for “men with a specific range of hormones, muscle mass, and bone density”. Likewise women’s sports exist for “women” not for “women with a specific range of hormones, muscle mass, and bone density”. In every other circumstance than this politicized trans debate, all naturally occurring advantages are considered “fair” in sports. Again, this debate only exists because politicians realized they can make you hate their opponents by riling you up with it.

[chicken-]

Still not doing your due diligence....
she's lost plenty of times to women.

Lost 9 times to women, hardly any KOs on her record. Not very manly if you ask me.

[Clegg]

Why? You definitely don’t hold men’s sports to the same standards. No one ever argued that Michael Phelps shouldn’t be allowed to compete against men because he’s a genetic freak compared to them, even though he absolutely is. Men’s sports exist for “men”, not for “men with a specific range of hormones, muscle mass, and bone density”. Likewise women’s sports exist for “women” not for “women with a specific range of hormones, muscle mass, and bone density”. In every other circumstance than this politicized trans debate, all naturally occurring advantages are considered “fair” in sports. Again, this debate only exists because politicians realized they can make you hate their opponents by riling you up with it.

Is this dan_b?