Comments Thread For: Marvin Hagler, Terence Crawford, and the importance of knowing when to settle down

[SouthpawRight]

Hagler was a great fighter with great promotion and great opposition. Crawford is a very good fighter with poor promotion for most of his career and not so great opponents. And now at nearly 37 years old, he hopes to face the biggest name in boxing and get a huge retirement check. But with the latest apparent pissing match between Canelo and Alalshiek coupled with Bud's hard fight vs Madrimov, that huge retirement check looks very distant.

TBud ucked himself over by being a one fight per year fighter for the last 4 years

[joseph5620]

Check the records. Hearns did move up to fight Hagler. In fact, Hagler's three biggest fights (Hearns, Duran, SRL), the ones that made him famous, were against guys moving up in weight. Two of those opponents' best weights were 2-4 weight classes below MW. These are not insignificant facts when evaluating and comparing ATGs.

It doesn't matter. Hearns was bigger than Hagler and he was only 26 when they fought. His body was not built to stay at 147. That's not even debatable.

[budfr]

It´s amazing to read these WOKE writers who have a pro Afro agenda, it´s funny to say the least and full of jaf truths and lies. For example it says that Crawfrod is 5'8 and "clearly a welterweight". So is Canelo !!!! He´s 5'8 and should be a 154 pounder at most but he dared to be great and moved up from 147 to 175. He even fought one of the best at 175, Bivol, when he had no need to do it.

[IRONCHINHAGLER]

Who is Marvelous Marvin Hagler without those three fights? Every fighter's record is subject to scrutiny, especially those who would claim ATG status. Hagler was objectively a great fighter, but it is important to put his record and wins in context. He is primarily famous for fighting smaller greats of his day.

smaller greats? Cmon …all three - Duran, Leonard, and Hearns finished their careers at or above MW. Smaller? Negative..Duran and Hearns were comfortable at MW. Hagler defeated every fighter he ever faced with the exception of Leonard. All comers, all number one contenders…ducked no one!! So put his record in “context” - Undeniably ATG!! Hearns, Leonard, Duran…PAC, Mayweather - all naturally moving up in weight..what’s the difference? So every fighter PAC and Floyd faced at junior Welterweight and WW were facing “blown-up” lightweights who were better at the weight they started? Is that your assertion? Bs!

[TheWinners]

How about all the WW at the time he moved up? He priced himself out constantly and used that as an excuse while everyone else beat each other up. He waited until every was at the end of their run before he considered fighting them. Not too mention he ducked Ennis and has no desire fighting the best and is only looking for a money grab with Canelo.

Thank you for stating this. I don't know why this isn't obvious. He fought none of the top guys while they were at the top and only made excuses.

[wrecksracer]

GGG beats everyone you named. I didn't say Hagler wasn't a great fighter. Read my prior posts. I said he was objectively great, but that he is MOST famous (and regarded as an ATG) for his three fights against smaller contemporary greats. Without those fights, nobody but the hardest of hardcore fans would be talking about him today. That should not really be in dispute.

I think what you mean to say is that after Hagler totally cleared out a very tough middleweight division, he took the biggest money fights available to him just like anybody else would have done. In no way was Hearns smaller than him, either. He had height, reach, and ended up fighting as high as Cruiserweight.

[steeve steel]

Age and the fact that it was his first fight at 154 had probably more incidence on his performance than just the weight. Also, styles make fights (fighting Madrimov is no piece of cake). Plus anyone can have an off night. Let's see him against Ortiz or Tzyzu at 154, then we'll have a better idea if he can move up one more time.

[BlackRobb]

Bud is a great fighter just not as great as his most rabid fans would have us believe.At a neutral site Bud would have got at best a draw against Madrimov.He’s reached his ceiling at 154 and Tszyu,Ortiz,Ennis and Fundora would present major problems for Bud . Middleweight ? Fuhget about it !

I want some of that good sh** you're smoking. Madrimov gave Bud a tough fight, but Crawford clearly won. July 29, 2023 is still messing with your head, huh?

[LAchargers373]

I hear you. You also have to admit, Bud fought the best of his era, or at least, the best that would fight him. Aside from Pacquiao and Mikey Garcia, who did But miss throughout his career?

DSG and Taylor when they were all on top rank he also skipped mikey garcia but u listed him he also skipped ennis at 147. Crawford never once has defended any of his undisputed titles and everyone knows that’s the hard part lol. The all time greats defended their titles. Bud has never done that. Not even once.

[LAchargers373]

Age and the fact that it was his first fight at 154 had probably more incidence on his performance than just the weight. Also, styles make fights (fighting Madrimov is no piece of cake). Plus anyone can have an off night. Let's see him against Ortiz or Tzyzu at 154, then we'll have a better idea if he can move up one more time.

Finally an honest assessment of the fight from a crawford fan. I thought he won but it was very close. A draw wouldn’t have been uncalled for but I felt like bud won by 2 rounds. That’s pretty damn close. I think he’ll do well against tsyzu but Ortiz is going to be a big problem for him imo. Might be wrong I have been before lol