Comments Thread For: 'Take the Bomb Apart': Atlas Wants to See Lomachenko-Davis

[Roberto Vasquez]

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Nope, I agree with what you say about Tank. I’m just pointing out that PAC was not on the “slide”. Anytime PAC gets beat, his loyal fans run to the “he was on the slide” or “he was past his prime”.

Like you said, Tank is clearly a cherry picker at the ripe young age of 28. For a guy with that talent, it is pathetic to witness it.

Exactly Tank is a Mayweather guy. That's why. He knows you can cherry pick and your fans will make your excuses for you.

[Oregonian]

Exactly Tank is a Mayweather guy. That's why. He knows you can cherry pick and your fans will make your excuses for you.

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Like I said, I don’t disagree with you about Tank. What I disagree with you is when you equate him to Floyd alluding that Floyd did the same thing.
Floyd is 50-0 and in 2007 after he beat Oscar and Hatton he was 39-0. At that point not a single soul in boxing was accusing him of cherry-picking fights. Then you have 11 fights (10% of his fights) and suddenly Floyd is a “runner” or a “cherry picker” or a “ducker”.
Tank is 30 with a handful of great opponents at bay but he refuses to entertain a fight with any of them. There is chatter about him wanting to fight Inoue. It is absurd to hear shǐt like that.

[Roberto Vasquez]

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Like I said, I don’t disagree with you about Tank. What I disagree with you is when you equate him to Floyd alluding that Floyd did the same thing.
Floyd is 50-0 and in 2007 after he beat Oscar and Hatton he was 39-0. At that point not a single soul in boxing was accusing him of cherry-picking fights. Then you have 11 fights (10% of his fights) and suddenly Floyd is a “runner” or a “cherry picker” or a “ducker”.
Tank is 30 with a handful of great opponents at bay but he refuses to entertain a fight with any of them. There is chatter about him wanting to fight Inoue. It is absurd to hear shǐt like that.

I was 100% a Floyd fan just like I was a Tyson Fury fan. But I was also smart enough to see guys ducking fighters, not being honest, not fighting fighters at their best or on fair terms. That's when I got out of both of those ships. That's why I am so hard on those guys now.

Floyd is way better than Fury in terms of his record. (i'm not going to deny he is in the top-10 best ever) But even the Pac fight - Floyd said "he is much better than I thought" and then when Pac said he was troubled by a shoulder injury - said "I am not rematching him now". How is that a fighter you can support? If you really want to hurt someone - beat them up in the ring. Shows all that Pacquio drug testing excuse was nonsense - all it takes is a shoulder injury for Floyd to duck him. Same with Canelo - just take the rematch and beat him up - if you think you can do that.

That's why I don't buy all these excuses the fans make for him. They spend all their time making excuses for Floyd not fighting people. when that is Floyd's job! - he should be fighting and beating these guys for you so you don't have to make lame excuses. He even actively avoided Amir Khan(!) when Khan was seen as a threat. Tank is just doing what Floyd did. Floyd always said it was all about money. Why think otherwise?

[Oregonian]

I was 100% a Floyd fan just like I was a Tyson Fury fan. But I was also smart enough to see guys ducking fighters, not being honest, not fighting fighters at their best or on fair terms. That's when I got out of both of those ships. That's why I am so hard on those guys now.

Floyd is way better than Fury in terms of his record. (i'm not going to deny he is in the top-10 best ever) But even the Pac fight - Floyd said "he is much better than I thought" and then when Pac said he was troubled by a shoulder injury - said "I am not rematching him now". How is that a fighter you can support? If you really want to hurt someone - beat them up in the ring. Shows all that Pacquio drug testing excuse was nonsense - all it takes is a shoulder injury for Floyd to duck him. Same with Canelo - just take the rematch and beat him up - if you think you can do that.

That's why I don't buy all these excuses the fans make for him. They spend all their time making excuses for Floyd not fighting people. when that is Floyd's job! - he should be fighting and beating these guys for you so you don't have to make lame excuses. He even actively avoided Amir Khan(!) when Khan was seen as a threat. Tank is just doing what Floyd did. Floyd always said it was all about money. Why think otherwise?

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We can argue about Canelo and PAC in regards to Floyd but when you say Floyd “avoided” Khan, you start losing credibility.
Khan had zero footprint at WW - meaning he had done absolutely nothing at WW to warrant a fight with Floyd.

That would be like Broner begging for a fight with Haney at 140 (when he was the champion) and then accusing Haney of ducking him.
Or Kamboso begging for a fight with Tank/Shakur after getting beat by Loma.

In fact the reason people criticize Crawford for fighting Khan was because Khan had no business being in the ring with Crawford.

Also, the logic that Floyd should “just take the rematch and beat him up“ with either PAc or Canelo is just silly. Floyd beat them both.

Mosley, Guerrero, Marquez and Cotto all asked for rematches with Floyd. Did he also duck them by not rematch them? How about Canelo overmatching Cotto or Lara or Trout? Was he ducking them?

[Roberto Vasquez]

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We can argue about Canelo and PAC in regards to Floyd but when you say Floyd “avoided” Khan, you start losing credibility.
Khan had zero footprint at WW - meaning he had done absolutely nothing at WW to warrant a fight with Floyd.

That would be like Broner begging for a fight with Haney at 140 (when he was the champion) and then accusing Haney of ducking him.
Or Kamboso begging for a fight with Tank/Shakur after getting beat by Loma.

In fact the reason people criticize Crawford for fighting Khan was because Khan had no business being in the ring with Crawford.

Also, the logic that Floyd should “just take the rematch and beat him up“ with either PAc or Canelo is just silly. Floyd beat them both.

Mosley, Guerrero, Marquez and Cotto all asked for rematches with Floyd. Did he also duck them by not rematch them? How about Canelo overmatching Cotto or Lara or Trout? Was he ducking them?

I'm glad you said that about Khan because Floyd made a Twitter poll for his next opponent between Khan and Maidana (the guy Khan beat) and Khan won it. Floyd chose Maidana to fight which has to be said backfired spectacularly. So by your own logic - Floyd has zero credibility in making that poll and considering Khan as an opponent. BUT I will just watch you defend Floyd now...

Khan was old and done by the time Crawford fought him. A totally false comparison you make there.

Again more fake arguments about Pac and Canelo. Good job he has you and other fans to blindly defend him.

Like I said Floyd a very good fighter but one who picked his fights. He has said that all he cares about is money. So why wouldn't he pick fights???

[tonysoprano]

Lomachenko will never fight Tank. They only ever pick opponents they know Tank will definitely beat.

They ain’t even taking a chance.

[Oregonian]

I'm glad you said that about Khan because Floyd made a Twitter poll for his next opponent between Khan and Maidana (the guy Khan beat) and Khan won it. Floyd chose Maidana to fight which has to be said backfired spectacularly. So by your own logic - Floyd has zero credibility in making that poll and considering Khan as an opponent. BUT I will just watch you defend Floyd now...

Khan was old and done by the time Crawford fought him. A totally false comparison you make there.

Again more fake arguments about Pac and Canelo. Good job he has you and other fans to blindly defend him.

Like I said Floyd a very good fighter but one who picked his fights. He has said that all he cares about is money. So why wouldn't he pick fights???

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95% of people that voted for Khan were ALL Pakistanis. Millions of them.
I’m not defending Floyd. I am discrediting Khan. Riddle me this, who has Khan beat at WW to get a shot at Floyd? It is the same argument we use in regards to Munguia getting a shot at Canelo. It was ludicrous.
But let’s assume Khan fought Floyd. Do you seriously think he had a shot at beating Floyd when he was getting beat up by everyone when he stepped up? I’m assuming you are not a casual fan, so be honest about that question.

Why didn’t Canelo give Cotto or Trout a rematch? They all wanted it. Why didn’t Khan give Maidana a rematch?
Khan was old by the time he fought Floyd? Really? Floyd is 10 years older than Khan so you wanted an old man to fight Khan but an “old” Khan getting beat by Crawford is an excuse. Meanwhile, Khan is just a year older than Bud.

[Roberto Vasquez]

Every country has millions of people dude - including Maidana's. You could easily argue many more millions of Indians were voting against Khan given those 2 countries history. Either way that is a lame argument, because why make the poll then? Who did he think would vote for Khan??? Chinese people? AND if that many people support Khan - shows how much money they could make from that fight. You got the UK (65 million) and Pakistan (230 million+) and the USA (300 million)

Khan beat Maidana (and put him down). Floyd looked poor against Maidana first time. You didn't see Khan standing there like a lemon getting hit like that. Also at that point in Khan's career he had never been outboxed overall in a fight (just knocked out or roughed up). That is the real reason Floyd was probably scared of Khan. With hindsight - obviously a fairly easy fight for Floyd but you have to look at the fight at the time. And Floyd is risk averse

Trout hardly became a superstar like Canelo. I don't know about Cotto - maybe Canelo was scared of him? Floyd Vs peak Canelo would have a been a huge money fight, And since all Floyd cares about is money... I'm guessing Floyd knew his unbeaten record was worth more? Probably scared too