Top 5 best boxers ever?

[WillieWild114]

Who are the top 5 pound for pound best boxers ever ?

[Willow The Wisp]

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Wille Pep
4. Joe Louis
5. Harry Greb

[The D3vil]

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Willie Pep
4. Muhammad Ali
5. Roberto Duran

[Atypicalbrit]

Oleksandyr Usyk
Vasyl Lomachenko
Manny Pacquiao
Floyd Mayweather
Gennady Golovkin

Fighters and athletes are getting better all the time and these guys would destroy their caveman counterparts from the black and white TV era as much as fans hate to hear it.

[garfios]

Oleksandyr Usyk
Vasyl Lomachenko
Manny Pacquiao
Floyd Mayweather
Gennady Golovkin

Fighters and athletes are getting better all the time and these guys would destroy their caveman counterparts from the black and white TV era as much as fans hate to hear it.

Go see a fight in black and white of SRR, Henry Armstrong

[Willow The Wisp]

Oleksandyr Usyk
Vasyl Lomachenko
Manny Pacquiao
Floyd Mayweather
Gennady Golovkin

Fighters and athletes are getting better all the time and these guys would destroy their caveman counterparts from the black and white TV era as much as fans hate to hear it.

Must be that low T

[Marchegiano]

Mayweather
Gans
Armstrong
RJJ
Charles


If you don't agree that is because you got tiny pee-pee.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Oleksandyr Usyk
Vasyl Lomachenko
Manny Pacquiao
Floyd Mayweather
Gennady Golovkin

Fighters and athletes are getting better all the time and these guys would destroy their caveman counterparts from the black and white TV era as much as fans hate to hear it.

They are not getting better all of the time, we have been over this before.

If fighters are getting better all of the time 'Then why are there a higher number of out of condition Heavyweights, in this era? They have access to all this modern technology, apparently improved information on supplementation. But still you have fighters who are grossly out of condition'.

Technology and the access of information has improved in sports 'But the actual ability of the athletes, for definitive has not improved'.

There are still great athletes and fighters in all sports, but their true innate abilities compared to past athletes 'They are not superior athletes. As they are not competing under the same environmental, competitive, and cultural factors'.

You have not taken those factors into consideration, when you really should 'If you are going to go around, making such statements'.

When you only analyse sports performances and athletes on a surface level. People may believe that 'Athletes are getting better all of the time, when this really is not the case'.

The performances in actual sports, which are driven by objective data 'Show this'. You are just subjectively saying something, to suit your perception.

Boxers do not fight over 15 rounds in this era, and they don't weigh in on the same day as the fight 'Was you aware that the longest bare knuckle fight, lasted for a duration over 7 hours?'.

And now you are sitting here, trying to tell us that 'Fighters are constantly improving and getting better? This is not a fact'.

Note: Here is a post below, were I have spoken about this perception which you have more in-depth. If you admire and believe modern day fighters are automatically superior to past fighters then that is great 'But you need to understand, that their are flaws in your reasoning and perception'.

You have these flaws, because I would imagine 'That you have no real knowledge of sports, which are driven by data'.

If you did have knowledge of such sports 'You definitively would not be making such a universal brash statement, like you just made in this thread'.

The heavyweight division is a open class division. And due to this, it is the purest form of competition in the sport of boxing. All other weight divisions are negatively affected by day before weigh in's 'You have potentially 100's upon 100's of fighters, who fight in weight classes which is not their natural weight'. This is a new phenomenon, which in my opinion degrades the competition. Not only in the long term is weight draining, going to negatively impact the condition of a fighter 'But it also creates a illusion'.

Canelo Alvarez in reality going back in history would not be yo yoing up and down in weight. He would have to pick one division, and pretty much stay there.

Tyson Fury is not a genetic marvel; he is 270 + pounds because? He no longer wants to train a certain way. He is not a solid 270 pound. If Tyson Fury was to transport himself back to the 1930's, 40's, 50's 60's and so on. He would not be 270 + pounds, and he would not be the same fighter he is today. From what I can see, he relies on new school training methodologies 'And even still he is not in great condition'. For me this is proof that, these fighters you see today are not automatically better fighters than past generations.

You continue to ignore the differences in environment that athletes from past generations have to compete under, and how these variable's can affect the performances of the athletes. Why are you ignoring this variable? You are ignoring it, because you know it blows your case totally out of the water. This variable, which I have brought up in this thread completely invalidates ANYBODY who speaks as if it is 100% factual that today's athletes are superior to past athletes.

Jesse Owens was running 10.2/3 on mud and cinder tracks, wearing heavy leather spiked shoes, all awhile training and living off food stamps. And may I just add? At those times in America, Jesse Owens was not even recognize as a first class citizen. Mud and Cinder tracks in comparison to today's modern tracks, absorb more energy from the athletes sprinting motion 'There is a decrease in the ground reaction force'.

100m sprinters like hard surfaces; a hard surface is a faster surface. Even going back to the 1980's,all the astro-turf type tracks were slower than the newer tracks that started to get introduced in the 90's. In the 1991 Toyko World Championships, you had sprinters in their 30's breaking world records. Carl Lewis & Linford Christie set faster times, than anything they had produced during the 80's.

'I honestly do not think there are many top sprinters active today, who even with modern sport science and all the best supplements cold duplicate those performances of Jesse Owens if? They were subjected to compete under the exact same conditions'.

Below I am going to leave a video of Asada Powell, running the 100m on grass. Asafa Powell is the most prolific sub-10 100m sprinter of all-times meaning? He has run under sub-10 for the 100m more times, than any other athlete in history 'Total of 97 times'. Powell has a personal record of 9.72 seconds, and he is the former 100m World Record Holder 'And the third faster 100m sprinter of all-times'.

In the video below Asafa Powell is sprinting on grass, wearing modern shoes pretty much at the peak of his career. Powell recorded a time of 10.33 seconds. This race was run at spring time, this is a time of the year sprinters are gearing up for the summer season.

Jesse Owens in 1936 recorded his fastest ever time, of 10.2 seconds. Wearing heavy leather spiked shoes, and the performance he recorded was set on a mud-and cinder track.

Conclusions: It is not 100% factual that fighters or athletes of today are superior to athletes from the past. The reason why it is not 100% factual is because; athletes from different generations were competing in different environments. And due to this, nobody can accurately measure or compare athlete's abilities head to head. But we can speculate, and theorize.

For example: My theory is, that you can only really compare modern day fighters to past fighters if 'Those modern day fighters train with old school methodologies'. Ultimately these are the only modern day fighters who have proven that they could travel back in time, and still be the same fighters. Because they do not rely on protein shakes, supplement pills, and sport science training techniques. Their training predominantly consists of old school training methodologies, which have been developed throughout history from empirical investigation then application.