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Originally posted by Oldskoolg View Post
It’s not boxing itself it’s that certain bottom of the barrel elements latch on to it and make it into that. The reason you’re seeing in this thread is due to people who hve embraced white supremacist ideology and are celebrating the defeat of a black fighter. The rhetoric we are being used are classic dog whistle statements by populists, nationalists, and outright neo-**** organisations. Why it’s being allowed on this forum is disgraceful in itself.
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Originally posted by -kev- View Postfulton will win a decision.Just looking likes this.
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Originally posted by Oldskoolg View Post
It’s not boxing itself it’s that certain bottom of the barrel elements latch on to it and make it into that. The reason you’re seeing in this thread is due to people who hve embraced white supremacist ideology and are celebrating the defeat of a black fighter. The rhetoric we are being used are classic dog whistle statements by populists, nationalists, and outright neo-**** organisations. Why it’s being allowed on this forum is disgraceful in itself.
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lol. all over internet ppl were saying Fulton wins because he a slick black Philly fighter. once he gets destroyed ppl say "why you bring race into this, they just wanna see black man lose" hahahaha. can't make this upMarktko1020 Just looking like this.
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Originally posted by deathofaclown View Post
Pound for pound is a really strange concept because if everyone was the same size you, would have to take away a lot of attributes from fighters
put 20lbs on Inoue, he wont be as fast anymore.
Let's say Spence is 122lbs instead of 147lbs, he's no longer as physically strong
A beterbiev at 147 lbs doesn't have the same power as he does at 175
I understand people say it's all relative and it would be relative to the weight they're at if they're all the same size but relativity isn't linear, theres way too many variables for it to be linear.
A big part of what makes a fighter fight how they do is their natural physical construct, biomechanics wtc...and if you change that, they're not the same person anymore, thus not knowing if they would be a good fighter or not if they were essentially different person who was naturally much bigger or smaller than they are as we know them.
In short, pound for pound is a lot of nonsense that can't be measured factually and makes no scientific sense. So it comes favouritism or whose achievements you like.
But scientifically it makes no sense because you would essentially be requiring people to be a completely different person with a different physical construct and completely different biomechanics. all that would remain the same would be their name...
I do have akinda loose list in my head of the elite fighters at any given time, and for me that's currently Inoue, Usyk and Crawford in no particular order with maybe the likes of Spence, Bivol, Canelo, Beterbiev etc just maybe a step below but that's as detailed as I get, and I'm very averse to really given them particular rankings.
Hard to argue against Naoya being a generational talent though and right up there with the best boxers ever to come out of Asia
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Inoue is boxings P4P King bar none. Tim Bradley and Mark Kreigel seem to not be a good mix. While I think Bradley is an excellent analyst, it is quite noticeable to me that Tim doesn’t have much respect for Kreigel as many times when Kreigel speaks you can see Bradley rolling his eyes.
While I like Bradley, he seems to send mixed messages regarding who is P4P king between Inoue and Crawford. In this regard, I feel Bradley is biased and goes out of his way for Crawford, how rightfully is also a P4P top fighter.
Inoue is special and IMO more deserving than Crawford regardless if he beats Spence, which he will. I also feel I’m biased because I feel Crawford is a knucklehead who does as little as possible to promote his fights.
ESPN should find someone besides Kreigel to work with Tes and Bradley. I think Antonio Tarver would be a good choice because Antonio is articulate and knows the games as well as any analyst out there. Kreigel called Haney great. Give me a break, Haney is a good boxer who will never beat Shakur, Tank, or Lopez. Great fighters come around once in a blue moon and Haney is definitely not in that class. Inoue is and after Crawford beats Spence he could be in the conversation but, beating Spence, another good fighter, is not enough. If they were in the same era, Crawford beating, SRL, Hearns, Hagler, would definitely make Crawford one of the greats. But, Crawford has never faced another great fighter and probably never will.
Inoue vs Sanchez( he will move to featherweight) would have been a real treat. That’s a pick ‘‘em fight.
Same with Crawford vs Hearns, Hagler, or SRL. I don’t think Crawford is on any of those 3 level.
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