Comments Thread For: Joe Joyce Reveals He May Take Interim-Fight Before Zhilei Zhang Rematch

[champion4ever]

Man I still am shocked this fight was stopped lol.4 more rounds who knows what would’ve happened. Typical British nonsense early stoppage tho

I agree. Tyson Fury’s eye was at least 100 times more damaged than Joyce’s eye and yet the corrupt Nevada officials allowed the fight to continue.

Wallin had Fury’s number that night. He should have won by TKO stoppage due to the excessive bleeding and those two nasty cuts/gashes over Fury’s right eye.

[Kris Silver]

The UK since the Kiltschko era has dominated Heavyweight boxing pretty much.

It has only been recently Usyk turned up to the dance party, and Wilder was the only non-European threat and Champion.

All the primer Champions were from the UK, and some of the best contenders have been from the UK.

America has pretty much been missing since Evander Holyfield's retirement, they have not been a universal force at Heavyweight for decades.

And American fighters usually now come with negative stereotypes of being out of condition or having bad lifestyle habits.

Its done very well for sure. But name more than a few renown, highly respected, technical, boxing coaches of the last decade coming out of the UK?

Even the ones we'd mention the top guys usually aren't with them, end up going to America, or start losing under their UK trainer.

Imagine if Joyce started boxing years ago under a Freddie Roach level gym and trainer since his teens. He'd be a completely different animal today.

[bullydean]

I agree. Tyson Fury’s eye was at least 100 times more damaged than Joyce’s eye and yet the corrupt Nevada officials allowed the fight to continue.

Wallin had Fury’s number that night. He should have won by TKO stoppage due to the excessive bleeding and those two nasty cuts/gashes over Fury’s right eye.

Wallin had Fury's number? Then why did Fury rag doll Wallin for half the fight?

Fury's eye wasn't worse. It was a bad cut but it wasn't swollen like Joyce's. Swelling like that could mean a skull fracture.

I don't understand why you keep embarrassing yourself.

[Kris Silver]

Isn't Joyce's trainer the Cuban guy who used to train cotto?

I'd say the same as the other post. Shows you have to go abroad or hire non UK trainers, because we aren't making them, they aren't available to our boxers at the same level.

[HeadShots]

I agree. Tyson Fury’s eye was at least 100 times more damaged than Joyce’s eye and yet the corrupt Nevada officials allowed the fight to continue.

Wallin had Fury’s number that night. He should have won by TKO stoppage due to the excessive bleeding and those two nasty cuts/gashes over Fury’s right eye.

cut but he could still see. Eyes weren't covered.




at the time of the stoppage Joyce ate 3 straight lefts in a row. he was ready to go. talking about getting right hands all night. boy was concussed.

[md40022]

Fury's eye against Wallin was nowhere as bad as Joyce's eye. It's not about the blood, it's about the swelling of the tissue. Fury was bleeding from a cut, but half of Joyce's entire face was purple. I didn't see anything wrong with the way that the ref and doctor handled either of those 2 fights.

As for Joyce the fight, this really wasn't anything new. He's always ate a lot of punches. Parker landed a ton of shots on him as well. Joyce has always shown a good chin to walk through the shots he was eating in the past, but it becomes a different story when the guy hitting you is 285 pounds. At Joyce's age, you aren't going to reinvent him as a fighter. He is who is he at this point. Joyce can still be a top 10 heavyweight as long as he picks the right opponents. And the right opponents for him are guys who aren't 285 lbs. As long as his opponent isn't a big physically strong puncher then his chin is able to hold up and eventually the pressure that he applies will wear opponents down. Joyce can be successful following that blueprint. But putting him in there against a bigger and physically stronger man or against a certified KO artist is trouble because Joyce's head movement and defense doesn't exist.

Zhang is 40 years old and his skills are obviously on the decline, so Joyce CAN win a rematch if he could drag the fight into the later rounds and let Zhang run out of gas. But at the same time, Joyce is going to be eating punches throughout the rematch, too -- so Zhang winning a rematch wouldn't shock me either. I'd call it a 50/50 rematch.

[JakeTheBoxer]

Totally different situation. Fury was clearly winning the fight and it was the cut. Despite the cut Wallin maybe won 3 rounds.

Joyce was blocking heavy punches with his damaged eye, probably also losing the fight on cards.

[hitmanjosh]

I don't want to see either one of these shop worn old heavyweights, Jared Anderson is the type of energy I get up for!

[4truth]

Fury would have been good with a stoppage only if it was called a headbutt.

Joyce appeared to be good with the stoppage.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Its done very well for sure. But name more than a few renown, highly respected, technical, boxing coaches of the last decade coming out of the UK?

Even the ones we'd mention the top guys usually aren't with them, end up going to America, or start losing under their UK trainer.

Imagine if Joyce started boxing years ago under a Freddie Roach level gym and trainer since his teens. He'd be a completely different animal today.

You are correct to a certain extent, I think specifically UK boxing coaches excel in certain area's of boxing 'Mainly grassroots boxing, amateur boxing and getting fighters to a World level' And I think UK coaches are better right now than American coaches in this area.

American or even foreign coaches seem to excel in taking fighters beyond the levels they have been innately operating at. Sometimes this leap works for UK fighters, other times it backfires.

Sometimes I think it is best UK fighters just stick to what they are good at 'If UK fighters make this move deep into their careers, many times it has back fired' This is probably more sports specific, as I personally think certain fighters have a better ability for training.

A fighter like Joshua for example maybe is a bit different, because one of his best assets is his enhanced learning abilities 'Proven by the very fact that he started boxing late, but was still able to become a Olympic Champion'.

Joshua may not switch up his game drastically at this stage, but people must admit? He only worked with Garcia for a matter of weeks, and produced a better performance vs Usyk 'A fight many predicted he would be knocked out in'.

And under 1 fight with Derrick James, I have already seen Joshua using his jab with more authority 'And for the first time ever, actually wrestling on the inside and disrupting his opponents work' This is a vital skill, boarder-line rough house tactics that Heavyweights must have in their game etc.

Note: The UK trainers that I personally rate highly are Adam Booth, Don Charles, Dominic Ingle and Peter Fury 'Charles and Fury would of been good coaches for Joshua'.

Peter Fury has always spoken highly of Joshua, I have never seen him downplay Joshua's ability.