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    #31
    Originally posted by GRUSTLER View Post
    I believe Miguel Cotto is going out muscle and over power
    Manny Pacquiao UNLESS Pac can hurt him BUT if Manny
    cant have success early on then Cotto is going to run
    over him like a bull. Cotto takes some pretty hard flush
    shots and keeps coming. Manny would have to put on
    a flawless performance.
    This is going to get understandably repetitive since there is still so much time until the fight but I totally agree.

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      #32
      Originally posted by SceneSpectator! View Post
      Wrong! if Cotto plan to just out point Pac he's in serious trouble! He should KO Pac otherwise Pac would out point Cotto! Cotto will be dealing a fast Pac and absolutely not a total copy of PBF-JMM fights!

      I think Pac would capitalize with his speed to destroy Cotto's strenght, before Cotto would use his strenght to struck Pac for KO. I think Pac would win this as long as Cotto would honor the contracted catchweight at 145lbs! And Pac have a good chance of winning too against PBF should PBF weighted 145lbs during scaling.
      Pac is not a boxer, he is fast aggressive and has a good chin. He might get overwelmed if the physical advantage favors Cotto. Against Floyd, it is already proven that couterpunchers give Pac problems, Floyd is a bigger, faster and more skilled than Marquez. At this point I just don't see it, not even interested in that fight anymore like I was like 6 months ago

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        #33
        Originally posted by TOBYLEE1 View Post
        Pac is not a boxer, he is fast aggressive and has a good chin. He might get overwelmed if the physical advantage favors Cotto. Against Floyd, it is already proven that couterpunchers give Pac problems, Floyd is a bigger, faster and more skilled than Marquez. At this point I just don't see it, not even interested in that fight anymore like I was like 6 months ago
        I don't get your idea that Pac is not a boxer.. and who is he then? a plain brawler who had dimolished strings of top fighters? Counter-punchers are not all the same of course, just like the aggressive fighters! Fighter could lose to the one with aggressive style but would wins from other aggressive fighters. It doens't mean he have that difficulty dealing all forward fighters from his lost to one of them. Ther same thru with counter-punchers, JMM and PBF are completely different counter-punchers.

        If so, then maybe you wanted to tell that a counter-puncher is hittable by a forward fighter like Pac. Just wonderin' how PBF would land once Pac hit him solid straight to his chin. JMM could rise but PBF is not JMM!
        Last edited by SceneSpectator!; 09-21-2009, 02:11 PM.

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          #34
          Originally posted by SceneSpectator! View Post
          I don't get your idea that Pac is not a boxer.. and who is he then? a plain brawler who had dimolished strings of top fighters? Counter-punchers are not all the same of course, just like orthodox styles! Fighter could lose to the one with aggressive style but would wins from other aggressive fighters. It doens't mean he have that difficulty dealing all forward fighters from his lost to one of them. Ther same thru with counter-punchers, JMM and PBF are completely different counter-punchers.

          If so, then maybe you wanted to tell that a counter-puncher is hittable by a forward fighter like Pac. Just wonderin' how PBF would land once Pac hit him solid straight to his chin. JMM could rise but PBF is not JMM!
          Pac fights similar to Mosley (they call that power boxing), he does not circle the opponent but attacks in angles. Pac is more aggressive between his offense and herky jerky upper body movement makes an opponent offense suffer and gun shy. Since with Roach Pac's right hook has developed into an additional weapon he can use effectively. Also Pac loves to engage and when he gets hits he puts his hands up and wants to go on the offense right away. IMO the size difference is the biggest obstacle and I wouldn't want to watch PBF vs Marquez again. And you are right Marquez and FMJ are not the same fighter and you just witnessed which was the better fighter.

          If they were around the same weight I would agree but as history has shown chances favor a good big fighter against a small good fighter.

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            #35
            Here's a good fight I found from a Cotto fan

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              #36
              Originally posted by K U Y I P View Post
              style makes a fight and cotto is no pbf. cotto is not invincible either, he will be caught by a pac's straight left or uppercut much the same way as cotto will land his daunted left hook and jab against the pacman. but in no way that this fight will be a one-sided just like the pbf-jmm fight.
              I agree with you that styles does make fights but if Cotto was able to take Clottey's, Mosley's, Judah's and Plasterito's best punches; theres' no question that he will be able to take Pacquiao's punch but the question is wether Pacquiao will be able to handle Cotto's power.

              The fight will definitely not be one sided but Pacquiao is going to fall into Cotto's trap cause Pacquiao likes to brawl when he gets hit. If Pacquiao decides to get Macho with Cotto and brawl.... He will get KO'd.

              Marquez was quoted saying after his post fight interview on the differences between Pacquiao and Mayweather - "They have different styles. Floyd is very clever. He is 100% defensive figher. He is a good counter puncher and Pacquiao is a guy that likes to fight".

              If Pacquiao decides to go head up with Cotto and fight like a brawler... KO'd....

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                #37
                Yes all counter punchers are different and the difference between marquez counter punchin and mayweathers is that mayweather uses his a hybrid hook with a slight uppercut to it. which more time then most gets inside his oppenents rear right hook marquez doesn't use a lead left to counter or not as much anyway also floy if he jabs or throw a str8 right he already anticipating you to throw something and after he is down throw he's sides step or leans back if you throw jab he's coming over the top with a right if you don't throw he either jabs to the body of the lead hook is comin where marquez. Counter style is take a 2-3 shots to give 1 or 2 of your own

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by SceneSpectator! View Post
                  Wrong! if Cotto plan to just out point Pac he's in serious trouble! He should KO Pac otherwise Pac would out point Cotto! Cotto will be dealing a fast Pac and absolutely not a total copy of PBF-JMM fights!

                  I think Pac would capitalize with his speed to destroy Cotto's strenght, before Cotto would use his strenght to struck Pac for KO. I think Pac would win this as long as Cotto would honor the contracted catchweight at 145lbs! And Pac have a good chance of winning too against PBF should PBF weighted 145lbs during scaling.
                  sorry, but even cotto outweighs pac, the result will be the same. The higher cotto goes, the faster pac will be. PAC will wound him to submission(TKO due to cuts)... As a fighter, PAC saw something in cotto that night(clottey fight). He saw some weakness that's why pac choose this fight instead of mosley. Cotto must K.O pac to secure victory... he can't go 12rnds with pac... The power that be wont allow him to win... there's to much money in a MONEY fight... PEACE

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by TOBYLEE1 View Post
                    And you are right Marquez and FMJ are not the same fighter and you just witnessed which was the better fighter.
                    What I saw was the fight between a struggling 142lbs that could not rehydrate further more against a natural welterweight at 146lbs that has gone up to middleweight during fight night. And JMM who was best as counter-puncher did not play much of his best when he opted most of the time being as the forward fighter, a style he did not specialized. And JMM failed to convert an added little fats massing around his abdomen into muscles, unlike PBF who went into his natural weight at Weltrweight looks more leaned! The results in all accounts is a disaster to JMM!

                    But had the fights is in Lightweight granting that PBF has all his skills and did not dehydrate to adopt this weight, and he plays being the pressure fighter, then I doubt if the result would be the same.

                    Pac would be different, he is more leaned at 145lbs, carrying his complete arsenals and speed and most importantly, he is natural pressure fighter. IMO, pac is a better opposition and a complete opposite of JMM in 145lbs!

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by KamoteKid View Post
                      sorry, but even cotto outweighs pac, the result will be the same. The higher cotto goes, the faster pac will be. PAC will wound him to submission(TKO due to cuts)... As a fighter, PAC saw something in cotto that night(clottey fight). He saw some weakness that's why pac choose this fight instead of mosley. Cotto must K.O pac to secure victory... he can't go 12rnds with pac... The power that be wont allow him to win... there's to much money in a MONEY fight... PEACE
                      That's what exactly I am telling.. Cotto should not aim to outpoint Pac if he wanted a sure win, he should go for a KO! Because surely he could not deal with Pac speed, the result will be most likely the opposite. Pac would outpoint Cotto if Pac is not lucky enough to land a solid shot to Cotto's chin.

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