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    #31
    Originally posted by Good ol' Douglas View Post

    Ali was going life and death with 5'10, one-eyed 200 lbs Frazier. But sure mate, he beats Usyk, Joyce and Hrgovic...

    Chisora would flatten Ali, forget genuine top 10 modern heavyweights.
    Ali was hypejob. No body shots, no inside game, no punch power. He also lost much more than just 5 fights. Even 183 cm gatekeeper Doug Jones jabbed his ears off easily.
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      #32
      Hrgovic is unproven fringe contender. Suggesting somebody must beat him to prove something is just laughable. Hrgovic must prove his own value first. Zhang will be his biggest fight so far.

      To be honest, I believe Bakole beats Hrgovic worse than he did it with Yoka.

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        #33
        Hrgovic has achieved nothing in boxing, why does Fury need him on his resume? Don't be ridiculous.

        Fury needs to fight the Usyk-AJ winner, but even if he doesn't, he's still had a great career.

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          #34
          OP smells su****iously like a BangEM alt...

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            #35
            Originally posted by Silence View Post

            Ali was hypejob. No body shots, no inside game, no punch power. He also lost much more than just 5 fights. Even 183 cm gatekeeper Doug Jones jabbed his ears off easily.
            But they say Ali was unbeatable before prison. What Ali did, he did so well boxers had no answer to the speed. He probably wasn't an all round fighter. What He did do, He did so well and that's what impressed.
            I fear not the man who practised a thousand different kicks once but the man who practised one kick a thousand times. usain bolt is as awe inspiring than a decathlete
            Last edited by hugh grant; 08-06-2022, 05:10 PM.

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              #36
              Originally posted by hugh grant View Post

              But they say Ali was unbeatable before prison. What Ali did, he did so well boxers had no answer to the speed. He probably wasn't an all round fighter. What He did do, He did so well and that's what impressed.
              I fear not the man who practised a thousand different kicks once but the man who practised one kick a thousand times. usain bolt is as awe inspiring than a decathlete
              He was one dimensional and wasn't all around complete fighter. He had lots of weaknesses. He was very good at his own game. He fought mostly based on athleticism, he wasn't textbook fighter either.

              As a resume on the paper, he is still GOAT. You can rank him ATG #1 HW. But, he is overrated as a p4p fighter. I don't rank him in my top 10. History saw much more incredible fighters.

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                #37
                Originally posted by Silence View Post

                He was one dimensional and wasn't all around complete fighter. He had lots of weaknesses. He was very good at his own game. He fought mostly based on athleticism, he wasn't textbook fighter either.

                As a resume on the paper, he is still GOAT. You can rank him ATG #1 HW. But, he is overrated as a p4p fighter. I don't rank him in my top 10. History saw much more incredible fighters.
                He had lots of weakness, but when he overwhelmed opponents with his abilities, his weaknesses weren't first thing to come to mind.
                Ask his beaten foes and they'll say he was too good for them. They probably won't mention Ali didn't punch them to the body or his defence had holes.
                H2h he probably isn't best
                Last edited by hugh grant; 08-06-2022, 06:36 PM.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by hugh grant View Post

                  He had lots of weakness, but when he overwhelmed opponents with his abilities, his weaknesses weren't first thing to come to mind.
                  Ask his beaten foes and they'll say he was too good for them. They probably won't mention Ali didn't punch them to the body or his defence had holes.
                  H2h he probably isn't best
                  H2H he ain't even top 7-8.

                  Holmes would outbox him.
                  Wlad, Vitali and Lennox would eat him alive.
                  Fury would beat him in an ugly fight.
                  Tyson and Frazier could beat his any version.
                  Foreman with better ring IQ had a chance.
                  ​​​​​​Norton is stylistic nightmare for him.

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Silence View Post

                    H2H he ain't even top 7-8.

                    Holmes would outbox him.
                    Wlad, Vitali and Lennox would eat him alive.
                    Fury would beat him in an ugly fight.
                    Tyson and Frazier could beat his any version.
                    Foreman with better ring IQ had a chance.
                    ​​​​​​Norton is stylistic nightmare for him.
                    H2H Ali is nowhere near the top 10.

                    How could a guy who pretty much got KO'd by 185 lbs Cooper compete against modern super-heavyweights?

                    Look at his fight against Mildenburger, how would he deal with a slippery southpaw like Byrd?

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                      #40
                      WBA, WBO, IBF, IBO, Ring ****zine, and lineal heavyweight champion (beat Wladimir Klitschko, then retired/vacated)
                      WBC, Ring ****zine, and lineal heavyweight champion (beat Deontay Wilder)

                      He's a legitimate two time heavyweight champion of the world. Not a titlist, not a claimant. Champion. Twice.

                      He's literally the only active fighter who has been heavyweight champion of the world. The previous champions (Klitschko, Lewis, Rahman, Lewis again, Briggs, Foreman, Moorer, etc) are all long retired.

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