Pacquiao: "Cotto's Size Don't Matter, He's Not Fast"

[jazluvr]

if size didt matter then why did they request a catchweight pac is so full of ****. pac is gonna get a wake up if he thinks his speed is gonna take care of cotto.

Good point.

[Wreckless]

Speed can't really be taught, you're either born with it or not.
I honestly don't even agree that Cotto is necessarily "stronger" than Pac.
Force = Mass times Acceleration.

They both ain't body builders where power counts most.

[wizard king]

Speed can't really be taught, you're either born with it or not.
I honestly don't even agree that Cotto is necessarily "stronger" than Pac.
Force = Mass times Acceleration.

They both ain't body builders where power counts most.

this true but pac not really a pwr puncher look at khan he is just as fast as pac but has no pwr what so ever. cotto has more pwr because he has more body weight behind those punches vs pac pacs punches with no weight behind them.

[Luis12]

Judah lol is a Bum with hand speed that looked good with guys who cant fight... In no way can he be compared...stop doing it to yourself.

Mosley has good hand speed not great and it comes in spurts throughout the rounds.

Pacquiao has tremendous hand speed and its bell to bell non stop..W/power behind it.

Your com parables are invalid.

mosley has good hand speed??? how old are you? 14??

not at all. Also he dont have the speed or movement to catch or out box and out point. I can only give Cotto a chance of landing a big shot that will take manny out. Hes not known for those shots [in the real world] And if any one knows this sport, knows that if you go and look for a one shot fight ko fight, before you know it rounds have slipped away and you may need a Ko that wont come. I cant see Cotto out boxing out landing or throwing as many than Pac and Cottos movement is decent but Pac's is better and unorthodox.

of course because you are blind riding pac's d!c2

If you think Cotto is going to have an easy night, you're ******. If you think Manny is going to have an easy fighter, you're even more ******. People bring up Cotto's wins over Malignaggi, Judah and Mosley as proof that Cotto can handle speed, yet I saw someone say those fights have no bearing on this fight, because Manny is faster than stronger than those other guys. Stronger is up for debate and Manny may have a slight edge in those guys over speed, but to say those fights should have no bearing on the outcome of this one is beyond my understanding.

People bring up Paq's power because he's KO'd bigger guys in Hatton and DLH. Well, using the logic that past fights have no bearing on current/future ones, then Paq's power must also be thrown out the window then? Seriously, people need to understand that BOTH these fighters have shown whatever strengths the other possesses, they've been able to overcome them with their own ability, except for one.

Manny has never been hit by a guy this big, and while he has a great chin the question is how good his body is. Cotto is quite possibly the best body puncher in boxing and it just so happens to be the biggest guy Manny has ever faced. Manny's biggest asset in this fight isn't his speed, power, footwork, head movement and angles. Its the fact that he does this for 12 rounds and doesn't seem to fade, thus conditioning is his biggest advantage. Obviously the perfect counter for this is do as much damage to the body as early as possible, I can't think of anyone who does this better than Cotto.

Cotto's never been in the ring with a guy this fast, who creates angles (the best in the business.) Cotto has shown he can handle speed because he has such fantastic timing, and contrary to what people think he has very very good counter punching ability. But this is where Manny's speed comes into play, Manny could be just too fast Cotto, and he creates great angles. He also packs a very solid punch and while Paq doesn't have the greatest defense, his offense, especially recently has gotten so good he really has no need for defense as long as he keeps moving.

The fact is both of these guys equalize each other, and really makes this fight very difficult to call. But I'm going with Cotto for a few reasons, which mainly center around Manny's angles and movement. Again Manny is EXCELLENT and both movement and angles, however, they are the same thing over and over again, and it works flawlessly. The major problem I see though is Manny loves moving to the left of his opponents after one of his solid straight lefts. Not only that but he leaves himself quite open to a counter left while doing this. Normally I'd say this slight flaw is too minor to make a difference but thats why I see Cotto as being a danger. He is a southpaw who fights ortodox, essentially his fastest punches are his strongest and Manny's going to be stuck in that wheelhouse. Once Cotto gets Manny's timing down (IF he does) Manny is some deep trouble and I see a counter left hook to the body or head just taking its toll on Manny. Not to mention whatever damage a jab can do from Cotto's left, its already knocked down 2 opponents, whether it be because of timing, power or a combo of both the fact is its quite possibly the biggest weapon for Cotto in this fight.

The other reason I see Cotto with the edge in this fight, is because Cotto is not a one dimensional fighter as Manny seem to assume. Sure, he was nothing but a one dimensional up to his fight with Judah. After that is when Cotto showed how versatile he really is. He showed how good his hand speed and timing is the the Mosley fight. He showed how well he can box in the Marg fight before either he tired or the possibly loaded gloves got hard, or a combo of both. And against Clottey he showed resilience fighting through a vicious cut like that. Cotto is just more versatile and his ability to change tactics mid-fight and even round, along with the "reverse" stance he employs I see him winning. By no means will it be easy but I'm giving the edge to Cotto for those reasons.

great post for both sides

[jazluvr]

Mosley did say that he took steroid, but nevada commision found out nothing.
like i said, cotto got all the attributes depending who he fight, i seen him sending body shot on gomez/jennings/urkal but never had this attribute on mosley/clottey/margo, he didn't lay any bodyshot on margo not even one, maybe margo skills is better than i thought. i have no problem if he could ko Pac, but i wanna to see it, not just ***** yapping.

Same here, I don't agree with everything you say, but respect your right to your onpinion. Let's just agree to disagree, (although not completly) and enjoy these 2 great warriors do their thing!
Peace

"Mosley did say that he took steroid, but nevada commision found out nothing."

Thanks...I honestly didn't know that. But i agree a prime Shane beats a prime Cotto. I said it before in another thread. Was just a bit su****ious after i heard about the 'roid thing...thanks for clearing that up.

[Quarty]

if size didt matter then why did they request a catchweight pac is so full of ****. pac is gonna get a wake up if he thinks his speed is gonna take care of cotto.

Pac cannot gave all the advantages to cotto, 145 was request by Cotto not Manny, Cotto will get a small ring & he had a pretty good deal on his contract & he happy with it, it look's like cotto fans try to find some excuses already

[Talisayen]

Same here, I don't agree with everything you say, but respect your right to your onpinion. Let's just agree to disagree, (although not completly) and enjoy these 2 great warriors do their thing!
Peace

"Mosley did say that he took steroid, but nevada commision found out nothing."

Thanks...I honestly didn't know that. But i agree a prime Shane beats a prime Cotto. I said it before in another thread. Was just a bit su****ious after i heard about the 'roid thing...thanks for clearing that up.

jaz two more months and we'll witness a great fight. It seems like the fever pitch gets elevated as days goes by.

[Iceta]

Pacquiao is going to make Joe Santiago have to throw in the towel after Cotto's will is broken.

[jazluvr]

Pac cannot gave all the advantages to cotto, 145 was request by Cotto not Manny, Cotto will get a small ring & he had a pretty good deal on his contract & he happy with it, it look's like cotto fans try to find some excuses already

Whoa, wait a minute here...it was Roach that tried to get Cotto down to 143, Cotto had to throw in the belt at a catch weight, Manny got his choice of the size of the ring and good Cotto fans don't need any excuses.
Same goes for Pac. The papers are all signed, concessions made, the fight is on...no excuses from either side.

[shadeyfizzle]

I believe what Pacquiao meant by Cotto not being fast is sharpness of mind. Physically Cotto has plenty of speed and is only slightly slower than Pacquiao as we have witnessed with the Gomez and Quintana fights. He can stick the jab, move, slip and close in with the best of them. What I continually saw with Cotto's big fights however is an indecisiveness. He loves to exploit opportunities to throw combinations when his opponent is rushing in with no jab behind it like against Margarito or when his opponents put on the earmuffs like Clottey. But against guys like Mosley and Judah he continually showed indeciveness on what punches to throw. Almost as if he kept tryin to adapt to his opponents pace or time them coming in but could rarely pull it off quite right. I think this what Pacquiao meant by Cotto not being fast. With a fighter as unorthodoxed as Pacquiao I think he'll be able to set the pace with Cotto. And when Cotto's indecisive he doesnt quite commit to his punches. meaning they'll be slower and Pacquiao'll be able to see them coming. Eventually Cotto'll land some big shots though and for me the only question will be Can Pacquiao's chin and body hold up. If they cant then Cotto by KO. If he can then Pacquiao by wide UD