At what point will Floyd Mayweather get the credit he deserves?

[hugh grant]

Its a fair argument only Floyds was the only one to beat Canelo and it wasn't close it was a complete schooling that Canelo never received before or since, other than Floyd, Canelo has run over everyone else, he actually showed with Lara why Floyd beat him, there is the asterisk there nodoubt, and by the same token there is a lot of Merit in the win, a 36 old former LW never been over 152 fight night, a much bigger Canelo 23 yr undefeated in 40+ fights, 22 KOs,10 WC bouts and current WC, it wasn't a power fight so that's where the weight doesn't matter unless your badly drained which he wasn't, because Canelos stamina was better than his other fights, if you are weight effected your stamina leaves town, he had snap on his punches, the reason why Floyd beat him was Canelos feet were never going to catch Floyds feet which meant Canelo was always a 1/2 step behind him, When Floyd boxes like that against planted fighters he is practically untouchable, he is just too nimble, he reads the play like very few in the history of boxing, Floyds no wrecking ball for casuals to get excited about, he is a chess master for the purists of boxing, to see all that Floyd does you have got to know boxing, any fool can see a KO, but they will never see a 1/2 step that's smothers a shot, how he dictates the positioning its ballet when you see the subltys, he does things that are amazing and precise, I followed boxing for over 5 decades, Im no fanboy I just know how good he really was.

Its like the win over JMM, they try and write it of because of the 2lb, JMM wasn't drained he was strong, he just come of stopping Juan Diaz he was stronger than ever before because he moved up not down that's a big deal. with Floyd, Juan was the same weight 150 he was KOing Manny, Floyd had been out for 2 yrs weighed in at 146 in a WW fight same as he did with Judah Hatton and few others his body was conditioned to be 146 and I think he realized late that he was not going to make it, now it was unprofessional that he didn't make 144 and he shouldn't have done it, could be a lot of reason why but Im telling you only a fool would think it was to cheat, to try and say that weight was the reason for the win is laughable, Floyd gave JMM a boxing lesson he never wanted another part off after it it was not a physical hard-punching shootout, it was an exhibition in the art of boxing, Floyd embarrassed Juan for real, JMM could not believe how outclassed he was, neither could Nacho and he said Mayweather is from another planet, that's real talk from real people,,,,, to beat such a beautiful boxer as JMM like that was sheer boxing poetry, is a great fight to watch an artist.

Self-denial all you want, you see the fights you know Im right and so do I, Floyd was the best of his era, and not by just a little bit but a far margin, I don't know if he could beat the Durans Leonards, Duran maaaaaaybe at 135, Leonard I think would be too big, but Floyd could compete and f he had of stayed at 135-140 who knows, Im sure he would have a lot more stoppages on his record,

This is not about anything other than can you as a person give credit for what was right before your eyes, its hard to do watching something you don't like beating you, it takes a real person to say well yeah it does look like he really was the best of his era, I don't wanna hear but but Manny is greater, he probably is it doesn't matter, it's irrelevant in this conversation of who was the better boxer.

But Floyd always left an asterisk. You can say he would beat any version of nelo or jmm but he didn't.
Only reason jmm didn't do to well was he had train specifically for pacs style for so long, and to face Floyd's totally opposite style on short notice, as well as Floyd cheating scales.
It's easy to not want to give Floyd credit as he never took risks. Ie fight outside backyard to prove its not about money, or fight hyped to hill killers like GGG or improved version of nelo etc etc people are believing Floyd fought worst version of nelo, Floyd fans say Floyd beats any version equals prove it then!

[Roadblock]

But Floyd always left an asterisk. You can say he would beat any version of nelo or jmm but he didn't.
Only reason jmm didn't do to well was he had train specifically for pacs style for so long, and to face Floyd's totally opposite style on short notice, as well as Floyd cheating scales.
It's easy to not want to give Floyd credit as he never took risks. Ie fight outside backyard to prove its not about money, or fight hyped to hill killers like GGG or improved version of nelo etc etc

You ever hear the saying, Dont throws pearls before swine, you just reminded me of that.

[BodyBagz]

But Floyd always left an asterisk. Floyd credit as he never took risks. Ie fight outside backyard

Pac's *'s - JMM, Shot Algieri, Cotto, Shot DLH, Shot Margarito
The risks Pac took (NOT including the above prime guys) - Shot Clottey, Shot Rios, Shot Broner, Shot Lucas, Shot Mosley, Bradley 3x, Vargas, HORN

15 times you gave Pac credit for doing NOTHING SPECIAL

MFer, May could have fought those SAME EXACT GUYS (the versions PAC FOUGHT) in their kitchen and still walk away with his 0 in tact.
Which of those I NAMED do you think would have beaten May had he went to their house ?!?!?!?

[BodyBagz]

I don't want to hear about Oscar's excuses. He really don't need any he was past his prime already. Manny gets credit for sending him to the retirement home. Something Floyd couldn't do.

Shame May didn't fight the DLH* Pac fought
How many *'s do you think Pac would put on Nelo ????

[djtmal]

Manny lost to guys that could never beat Floyd in a million years, Manny lost 10% of his fights from early career to his last leaving the game a loser, he was never equal to Mayweather as boxers he was actually a class below him.

Lets debunk this myth right here.

They could never beat Floyd because Floyd wouldn't give him a chance to He steered clear of anybody that was good that was in their prime, presented a style mismatch or both.

Horn was long, rangy, tough, had a good jab. Floyd would never travel to this guys hometown that is just too big of a risk.
Undefeated Bradley was better than average tough had better than average handspeed good timing was too big of a risk for too little of a reward for Floyd.
Ugas another guy in his prime long, rangy southpaw better than average boxing skills good timing Floyd would fake a retirement before he fought that guy.

Floyd ducked guys like Amir Khan, Paul Williams, Margarito, Keith Thurman who had similar attributes.

See the pattern.

Floyd was comfortable with Marquez because Marquez had no advantage whatsoever. Height, reach, plus was a lightweight coming up two weightclasses.

You are enchanted with Floyd beating name guys who were great once upon a time, or slow, flat footed, come forward short armed fighters like Victor Ortiz or Marcos Madonna. Its not his critics fault that you can't see the obvious pattern.

People began siding with Manny because Manny was fighting guys who were big style mismatches win or lose. Marquez, Horn, Bradley, Ugas, Thurman, Margarito, the list goes on.

The only long rangy guys Floyd was fighting was Conor McGregor and the Youtuber what his name. Guys who probably couldn't spell jab right hand.

[djtmal]

Shame May didn't fight the DLH* Pac fought

Yeah it is a shame because he ducked the agreed upon rematch by faking a retirement right?
“Our first fight had a rematch clause – [but] it had to take place within the year, and he retired a year and one day, [after]” De La Hoya said.

Insert Floyd excuses here:

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[BodyBagz]

Yeah it is a shame because he ducked the agreed upon rematch by faking a retirement right?
“Our first fight had a rematch clause – [but] it had to take place within the year, and he retired a year and one day, [after]” De La Hoya said.

Insert Floyd excuses here:

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It's a more laughable shame Pac didn't give HORN a rematch so HORN could prove he deserved that gift.

Pac fans (RIP) have a nerve

[Boxing-1013]

They all do what Floyd does that's the bit you step over, as soon as they hit the big time they call the shots, Ive said all along Floyd has nothing on Manny as far as setting up fights for hiis advantage yet he gets a clear pass, its just wrong be fair across the board something fans cant seem to do, I don't have time to break it down fight for fight but just pick any fighter you like and lets compare resumes and who really takes advantage over opponents, you are trying to isolate Mayweather and never compare him to the others, try it, the criteria you put on him apply to the others and see where it goes.

I don't give Manny a pass, or Canelo, or AJ. They are all doing the same type of thing to me. My point with Floyd is that it is really hard to judge him for me, because he had everything in his favor the 2nd half of his career, and he took advantage of it. Which was smart. He could have gone to KO Pac in Pac's home country, 5 years before they fought - and guess what, a lot of people would just say 'Manny sucks, that wasn't a good win.' What's the point in chasing legacy to try and please people who will never give you credit anyway.

But as for me, my criteria for judging fighters does not change at all depending on who I am looking at. I credit a solid/dominant win over a solid pro more than I do a solid win over a shot not-ideal-weight fighter. I just think the first scenario is more impressive.

As you said, when you become a superstar, most all of these guys do the same thing - they use the leverage they have to their advantage.

But let's look at HW for example - I think Fury clearly has a better resume than AJ right now. He went on the road, 3 times, to face the most dangerous puncher in the HW division. Beat him twice imo, and I did score the first fight a draw. Fury has gone on the road and fought virtually his whole career (once he became established). Fury also went on the road to beat Wlad and was the first man in a dozen years or so to do it.

Meanwhile, AJ has been cherry picking guys around the bottom of the top 10, to fight at home, when they aren't even that good. That will never impress me more than a guy taking on some real risk of losing.

[hugh grant]

It's a more laughable shame Pac didn't give HORN a rematch so HORN could prove he deserved that gift.

Pac fans (RIP) have a nerve

Pac didn't need rematch as fans know what they're watching and saw pac beat horn. Didn't need rematch with bradley also, the rematch was more for bradley.
Shame floyd didn't give pac rematch with iv controversy amongst other things we don't need to go into now, the rematch would be been for Floyd's benefit again

[BodyBagz]

Pac didn't need rematch as fans know what they're watching and saw pac beat horn. Didn't need rematch with bradley also, the rematch was more for bradley.
Shame floyd didn't give pac rematch with iv controversy amongst other things we don't need to go into now, the rematch would be been for Floyd's benefit again

Pac fans (RIP) happy their God fought a part time teacher ......AND LOST

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