Tyson Fury’s skills vs Wilder and Klitschko

[-Kev-]

Tyson Fury’s footwork, feints, handspeed, elusiveness, head movement, and use of his jab as a distraction was boxing at its finest.

I don’t know how you can see this gigantic man move and fight the way he does and not give him credit.

Going in to the fight, Klitschko had not lost in his last 22 fights, with 15 KO’s, 19 of those fights were championship fights.

Tyson Fury visibly looked like he was having fun against Wladimir Klitschko.

Deontay Wilder, 40-0 and 42-0. Only one fighter had gone the distance, and that same fighter was KO’ed in round 1 of the rematch.

Fury beat him easily. Wilder has kept his “every man I have faced, has gone down” streak alive. He dropped Fury 3 times, with punches that would have more than likely kept any other man from Tyson to Holyfield to Lewis to Wladimir, to Joshua, down and probably out.

I doubt anyone would have gotten up from that first KD Fury suffered in the first fight. Not even Fury got up from it if we are being honest. He was down for 10 seconds. Which is a KO.

And being dropped twice in one round like that, in the trilogy, despite the ref inexplicably giving Fury what seemed like a 15 count, Fury didn’t necessarily looked badly hurt. Although that ref was definitely counting extremely slow. If the same was done for Wilder, all hell would have broken loose. Fury was down 11 seconds after he was dropped, and got a total of 15 seconds to get up, shake it off, and regain his legs to go back to sit down in his corner.

If every Wilder opponent got 15 seconds to get up from a KD, it’s very possible that Wilder would have had a couple more losses on his records, or less KO’s.

[Robbie Barrett]

Or you could see it as Fury got dropped 4 times by one of the least skilled title holders ever. A fighter with one weapon that he can only throw one way, a guy that can't even throw a right hook.

He ran away from safety first Wlad in one of the worst title fights in history with the least amount of punches ever thrown over 12 rounds.

[-Kev-]

Or you could see it as Fury got dropped 4 times by one of the least skilled title holders ever. A fighter with one weapon that he can only throw one way, a guy that can't even throw a right hook.

He ran away from safety first Wlad in one of the worst title fights in history with the least amount of punches ever thrown over 12 rounds.

He fought Wlad’s fight. Beat Wlad using his own style of fighting. Slow paced, trying to outbox his opponent. Just clean punching. Wlad even tried to clinch multiple times, it didn’t work on Fury because he was bigger and taller. Fury simply outboxed him. He schooled Wlad.

Boxing has many styles of fighting. It is not as varied as MMA, but since its inception it has had a lot of different fighters. Do you really see these old clips of fighters of the “golden years” of pro boxing and not spit out your beer in laughter? Because if not, I can’t see how you can say Wilder has such poor skills but then praise these obtuse, goofy-looking fighters of the past, their stance and the way they throw punches, and say with a straight face that they were “highly skilled”. I mean they were essentially wiped out of boxing once boxing became international and its barriers were brought down.

If you put Wilder in there vs these guys, he will look like prime Muhammad Ali on steroids.

[John Locke]

Yep. The only fighter in history that could beat Deontay is Fury. His resume shows it, KOing killa after killa, top fighter after top fighter. IMO Wilder would KO Godzilla if they fought. I mean he's already KO'd King Kong right? What a fighter. Hopefully he keeps fighting top competition like he's been doing for almost 50 pro fights.

[REdrUm0351]

It’s astounding how many “boxing fans” don’t understand that the 10 count is by the refs count not a stop watch. The fighter is listening or watching the ref so they can take as much of that count as needed to recuperate before they get up. It doesn’t mean said fighter was knocked out. If the count was faster the fighter would get up faster. This is not hard to understand but here we are.

[snowdog]

It’s astounding how many “boxing fans” don’t understand that the 10 count is by the refs count not a stop watch. The fighter is listening or watching the ref so they can take as much of that count as needed to recuperate before they get up. It doesn’t mean said fighter was knocked out. If the count was faster the fighter would get up faster. This is not hard to understand but here we are.

Everything that he said.

Plus the count, according to the rules of the game, only starts once the fighter is in a neutral corner and also starts one second after a fighter hits the deck.

[-Kev-]

It’s astounding how many “boxing fans” don’t understand that the 10 count is by the refs count not a stop watch. The fighter is listening or watching the ref so they can take as much of that count as needed to recuperate before they get up. It doesn’t mean said fighter was knocked out. If the count was faster the fighter would get up faster. This is not hard to understand but here we are.

In every single fight, if the ref pauses, the ref continues counting with help from ringside.

And I am not entirely sure what you think you typed, or what you really meant to say, but you just virtually said that it’s okay if the ref counts a slow count, stops counting midway through a count, and gives a fighter a 15 count?

Is this what you are saying?

That boxing’s 10-count does not have to be followed by a referee?

I am not entirely sure if that is what you meant. You are saying that if the ref wants to slow count, stop a count, and give a fighter extra time to get up from a clean knock down, that it’s okay?

I am sorry, but you really started your post off by saying fans don’t understand the 10-count, and proceeded by saying the ref can essentially give a hurt fighter as long of a count needed to recover from a clean KD?

You are right, it is not very hard to understand your point of view. It’s typed in plain English. What you are saying, I mean I can’t make this up or put words in your mouth, or twist or spin anything you said. You have just typed it very clearly here.

The ref counted slow and it’s okay. A fighter, no matter how hurt he is, can get up fast if the ref is counting fast. And the fighter’s legs will not be affected by this fast count. And a fighter does not benefit from a slow count either. We’re all just ******, but here is redrum0351 explaining for all of us. Breaking it down in laymen terms. The theory of general relativity applies to referees and boxers.

The boxer recovers faster and can get up faster based on how fast the ref is counting. The only reason Manny Pacquiao stayed down, knocked out cold vs JMM was because the ref didn’t even count. He waived it off. If Kenny Bayless would have counted, Pacquiao had a chance to get up, maybe after a 5 minute count. Bayless could have stretched the count a bit more too. This is such a big scientific breakthrough! No wonder they call the sweet science. It’s so full of science!

Please have this post peer-reviewed and published, guy. You are on absolutely on to something.

[-Kev-]

Everything that he said.

Plus the count, according to the rules of the game, only starts once the fighter is in a neutral corner and also starts one second after a fighter hits the deck.

We have the first peer that reviewed your paper. We just need to allow the rest of the science community to agree to it so that we can have it published.

Keep it coming guys, we are on to something big! Please add me as a co-author. I want in on this paper.

[-Kev-]

Listen up fellas, the smart guy is here. I have my online PhD in Sweet Science from DeVry University.

The ref counting slow is not actually a slow count. The ref can take 15 minutes to count to 10 "seconds", it's still just 10 seconds.

Please stop being so ******. Understand something for once in your life. Have some respect for yourself for once. The fighter has 10 referee seconds. Not 10 actual, literal seconds as we know it.

In my PhD in Sweet Science curriculum, there was a mandatory course called Refereeing Doppler Effect. I had other high level course. We learn that Ref seconds are different than normal seconds. Ref seconds are more flexible. The course also covers the kinematics (geometry of motion) of refereeing. Also, the escape velocity of the words that come out of a referee's mouth. Word sublimation, look that up too. Lastly, you also need to look up the Centrifugal Force of boxing and what that has to do with the way the referee counted relative to where Fury was knocked down in the ring.

All of this plays a big part in the elasticity of the referee's count after a fighter goes down.

Please do your research before you come at Dr. Kev again, with your "long count" BS. That's equivalent to broscience. There was no long count here. 10 seconds is whatever the referee deems 10 seconds. Not what ****** fans, journalists, or ringside announcers deem as 10 seconds.

[M312]

Tyson has said that he worked out in Round 12 of the first fight that he was stronger than Wilder and that Wilder could not fight under pressure. He could just walk him down. So that's what he did. It's a measure of the man that he can fight on both ways.

The question is, does he think he can just do that against anyone now? Because it didn't work too well v Otto Wallin.
And could he adjust to being a boxer if Plan A doesn't work midfight? Not seen evidence of that yet. The main reason it worked so well v Wilder is because the man has no balance and can't really counter.