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    Pretty funny how people here have the answers on what wilder should have done to win. "Oh, he came into the fight too heavy and should have weighed 220 lbs" lol laughable.

    the game plan for being 238lbs was to be strong enough to push fury off of him when he headlocked and leaned on him. Also, to have more thud behind his punches. The game plan wasn't to be light and out box fury. The game plan was to have the weight and power to push tyson off of him, throw body punches to wear him down to drop his arms and set up the KO within 6-7 rounds. They knew they weren't going to out box tyson.... So it would've been ****** to come in at 220 lbs range. Wilder would have been weaker and not strong enough to handle 277lbs leaning on him at 225lbs.

    The game plan, weight and tactics were the best his team could have done to beat fury. It was working in the early rounds but furys ring IQ and the skills he has are just far too superior. Wilder did 20 times better than most thought he would have..including myself. It's just too hard to change trainers and incorporate all these different tactics in one fight at 35 years old when you have been used to laying people out less skilled.

    Once wilder was hurt and started to gas out, he reverted back to trying to throw just the one punch. He also gassed himself out by throwing every punch with all he has early on. Even if it was at the body.

    Bottom line is wilder couldn't have done anything else to win this fight unless he landed the 1 punch KO. He never fought with the new technique's before, so maybe if he implemented those in a few fights before he might have done better... But he's gonna be 36 and he's not going to change all that much.

    Fury has his number. Plain and simple. I still feel wilder beats AJ, especially how AJ has been since ruiz beat him. He's so timid and afraid of taking a shot. Wilder still beats AJ, Ruiz, whyte and so on... Usyk, I'm not too sure of. Either way, it was a great fight and wilder gave his all and went out on his shield like he wanted. Hope he still fights AJ and doesn't retire, but its obvious fury is light years a head of the rest of the division. Usyk would only beat fury by points and I'm not sure he could given fury's dominance.
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      Originally posted by Jack Rivers View Post
      Pretty funny how people here have the answers on what wilder should have done to win. "Oh, he came into the fight too heavy and should have weighed 220 lbs" lol laughable.

      the game plan for being 238lbs was to be strong enough to push fury off of him when he headlocked and leaned on him. Also, to have more thud behind his punches. The game plan wasn't to be light and out box fury. The game plan was to have the weight and power to push tyson off of him, throw body punches to wear him down to drop his arms and set up the KO within 6-7 rounds. They knew they weren't going to out box tyson.... So it would've been ****** to come in at 220 lbs range. Wilder would have been weaker and not strong enough to handle 277lbs leaning on him at 225lbs.

      The game plan, weight and tactics were the best his team could have done to beat fury. It was working in the early rounds but furys ring IQ and the skills he has are just far too superior. Wilder did 20 times better than most thought he would have..including myself. It's just too hard to change trainers and incorporate all these different tactics in one fight at 35 years old when you have been used to laying people out less skilled.

      Once wilder was hurt and started to gas out, he reverted back to trying to throw just the one punch. He also gassed himself out by throwing every punch with all he has early on. Even if it was at the body.

      Bottom line is wilder couldn't have done anything else to win this fight unless he landed the 1 punch KO. He never fought with the new technique's before, so maybe if he implemented those in a few fights before he might have done better... But he's gonna be 36 and he's not going to change all that much.

      Fury has his number. Plain and simple. I still feel wilder beats AJ, especially how AJ has been since ruiz beat him. He's so timid and afraid of taking a shot. Wilder still beats AJ, Ruiz, whyte and so on... Usyk, I'm not too sure of. Either way, it was a great fight and wilder gave his all and went out on his shield like he wanted. Hope he still fights AJ and doesn't retire, but its obvious fury is light years a head of the rest of the division. Usyk would only beat fury by points and I'm not sure he could given fury's dominance.
      Jack, You don't know Jack Sh.t about boxing! Bench pressing heavy weights has no place in a boxer's training regimen. That's last thing a boxer wants is to bulk up and tighten up the chest area and the muscles around the shoulders. That will kill that snap in ur punch and create slow twitch power while interferring with fast twitch muscles. If ur slow and tire fast from too much heavy lifting and bulk and can't hit the target quickly, what does it matter how much power u generate in a single punch? Speed kills. Wilder should have trained for speed and endurance, not power. He's already a great puncher without weights. He needs speed and endurance to deliver that power at any moment from rounds 1 thru 12, not to be gassed out and fighting on just heart after only a couple rounds of wild swings and misses. Imagine a Larry Holmes gassing out after round 2. He would beat ur ass in rd 12 the exact same way as if it was rd 1, and he wasn't bulked up on no damned weights. He had real 12 and even 15 rd endurance, with speed and snap on his punches. That's completely missing in today's heavyweights for the most part. So is defensive skills
      Last edited by archiemoore1; 10-11-2021, 01:09 AM.

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        Great match! Wilder was much better than in the last match, it could have gone to his side by knockout. Fitness judged the winner, Wilder dropped significantly in the final rounds.

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          I am kind of torn about the fight. While it was exciting in a way (mostly because Wilder's KDs, that make it seem closer fight than it was), the talks of "one of the best heavyweight fights" are beyond me. In my eyes Wilder drops quality of every fight he is in because of his abysmal skills. Add to it Fury looking horrible (but comparing to Wilder he looked like master boxer, which he isn't) and you have sloppy, dirty fight.

          I also cannot comprehend fans of Wilder and some of you ranking him as #2 heavyweight? Do you really that much enjoy Wilder receiving beating just for that small chance of his to land perfect punch? Because he received beating (IMO I thought it would be absolutely right thing to stop the fight in some moments, referee decided to let it go to definitive end).

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            ^illegal-rabbit punch seconds before the unjust stoppage. Russell Mora is in perfect view of the illegal blow and does not stop the contest to warn Fury.



            ^ I highlight the second fall, that was fair. However, below I share the dirty-tactics that followed.



            ^ moments after Tyson dropped Deontay, Fury held Wilder's head to deliver a vicious uppercut. This after the man was already hurt, a low dishonorable desperate act.




            Lennox Lewis : '' OH! ''

            Kenny Bayless : '' UPPERCUT! ''

            Lennox Lewis : '' Theres that uppercut by Fury! ''

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                Originally posted by Jack Rivers View Post
                Pretty funny how people here have the answers on what wilder should have done to win. "Oh, he came into the fight too heavy and should have weighed 220 lbs" lol laughable.

                the game plan for being 238lbs was to be strong enough to push fury off of him when he headlocked and leaned on him. Also, to have more thud behind his punches. The game plan wasn't to be light and out box fury. The game plan was to have the weight and power to push tyson off of him, throw body punches to wear him down to drop his arms and set up the KO within 6-7 rounds. They knew they weren't going to out box tyson.... So it would've been ****** to come in at 220 lbs range. Wilder would have been weaker and not strong enough to handle 277lbs leaning on him at 225lbs.

                The game plan, weight and tactics were the best his team could have done to beat fury. It was working in the early rounds but furys ring IQ and the skills he has are just far too superior. Wilder did 20 times better than most thought he would have..including myself. It's just too hard to change trainers and incorporate all these different tactics in one fight at 35 years old when you have been used to laying people out less skilled.

                Once wilder was hurt and started to gas out, he reverted back to trying to throw just the one punch. He also gassed himself out by throwing every punch with all he has early on. Even if it was at the body.

                Bottom line is wilder couldn't have done anything else to win this fight unless he landed the 1 punch KO. He never fought with the new technique's before, so maybe if he implemented those in a few fights before he might have done better... But he's gonna be 36 and he's not going to change all that much.

                Fury has his number. Plain and simple. I still feel wilder beats AJ, especially how AJ has been since ruiz beat him. He's so timid and afraid of taking a shot. Wilder still beats AJ, Ruiz, whyte and so on... Usyk, I'm not too sure of. Either way, it was a great fight and wilder gave his all and went out on his shield like he wanted. Hope he still fights AJ and doesn't retire, but its obvious fury is light years a head of the rest of the division. Usyk would only beat fury by points and I'm not sure he could given fury's dominance.

                Don't agree with everything here, but its a great comment, particularly on strategy. This as good as it gets for Wilder against Fury, particularly at his age. And yeah, he held his own for the fist few rds, which is not bad at all for a guy w/out an amateur career

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                  Originally posted by MikeyG View Post
                  I am kind of torn about the fight. While it was exciting in a way (mostly because Wilder's KDs, that make it seem closer fight than it was), the talks of "one of the best heavyweight fights" are beyond me. In my eyes Wilder drops quality of every fight he is in because of his abysmal skills. Add to it Fury looking horrible (but comparing to Wilder he looked like master boxer, which he isn't) and you have sloppy, dirty fight.

                  I also cannot comprehend fans of Wilder and some of you ranking him as #2 heavyweight? Do you really that much enjoy Wilder receiving beating just for that small chance of his to land perfect punch? Because he received beating (IMO I thought it would be absolutely right thing to stop the fight in some moments, referee decided to let it go to definitive end).
                  It was a great fight due to KDs and the fact it was a massive, sometimes ugly, scrap. But it wasn't a great boxing match, per se, for the reasons you outline.

                  It had the drama, though, and I enjoyed it loads, so whatever, I suppose

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                    Originally posted by archiemoore1 View Post

                    Jack, You don't know Jack Sh.t about boxing! Bench pressing heavy weights has no place in a boxer's training regimen. That's last thing a boxer wants is to bulk up and tighten up the chest area and the muscles around the shoulders. That will kill that snap in ur punch and create slow twitch power while interferring with fast twitch muscles. If ur slow and tire fast from too much heavy lifting and bulk and can't hit the target quickly, what does it matter how much power u generate in a single punch? Speed kills. Wilder should have trained for speed and endurance, not power. He's already a great puncher without weights. He needs speed and endurance to deliver that power at any moment from rounds 1 thru 12, not to be gassed out and fighting on just heart after only a couple rounds of wild swings and misses. Imagine a Larry Holmes gassing out after round 2. He would beat ur ass in rd 12 the exact same way as if it was rd 1, and he wasn't bulked up on no damned weights. He had real 12 and even 15 rd endurance, with speed and snap on his punches. That's completely missing in today's heavyweights for the most part. So is defensive skills

                    Cutting your take down to the chase, here, are you suggesting that Wilder had a far better chance of winning this at 220 or something?

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                      Originally posted by DeeMoney View Post

                      If Usyk beats AJ again, I see no reason why Wilder v AJ doesnt take place late 2022. Would be a big fight still
                      A good fight is or can become a big fight, simple as that. That's the biggest thing I've learned in the last few years.

                      WIlder and AJ on 2 defeats each doesn't dampen my will to see it because I think its a four round firefight. And then you think of all the other great fights that have turned into BIG FIGHTS upon the rematch.

                      Get the right ppl involved and that's all you need.

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