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    #51
    Originally posted by Oldskoolg View Post
    It really depends on how great the actual fight is. But manny is an actual all time great, it’s more impressive if Spence win then if manny does
    That's more ridiculous than saying it would be the greatest WW win. Spence is supposed to win, if he can't beat the second best of the previous era then he's not as good as people think.

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      #52
      Originally posted by The Big Dunn View Post
      I don’t think it would be better than Duran over SRL and SRL over Hearns, but other than them I can’t think of a ww win since 1980 that would be better than Manny beating Spence.
      Really? I think you're missing the bigger point. It's not that Spence is equal to early 80's Duran/SRL/Hearns,. Its that Duran, SRL and Hearns were all in their primes when they fought each other the first time. Pacquiao fighting a prime, reigning, undefeated, unified WW champion with an 11 year age advantage and every conceivable physical advantage is a far greater achievement than Duran beating SRL or SRL beating Hearns. Those fights were supposed to be competitive. Conventional wisdom says Spence vs. Pac should be a straight beat down. If Pacquiao wins this fight without controversy, it has to be regarded as one of the greatest feats in boxing history.
      Last edited by NachoMan; 08-08-2021, 02:14 PM.
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        #53
        Originally posted by Doubledagger View Post

        Duran moving up two weight classes to beat Leonard is a LITERAL myth.

        Duran had EIGHT, EIGHT fights at welterweight before he faced Leonard.

        He didn't move up to fight Leonard, he was already a full fledged welter.
        Exactly. That myth is propagated everywhere. If I'm not mistaken, Duran actually fought at super-welter the year preceding the first Leonard fight, so, actually, Duran came down in weight to fight Leonard.
        Last edited by NachoMan; 08-08-2021, 02:10 PM.

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          #54
          Originally posted by NachoMan View Post

          Really? I think you're missing the bigger point. It's not that Spence is equal to early 80's Duran/SRL/Hearns,. Its that Duran, SRL and Hearns were all in their primes when they fought each other the first time. Pacquiao fighting a reigning undefeated, unified WW champion with an 11 year age advantage and every conceivable physical advantage is a far greater achievement than Duran beating SRL or SRL beating Hearns. Those fights were supposed to be competitive. Conventional wisdom says Spence vs. Pac should be a straight beat down. If Pacquiao wins this fight without controversy, it has to be regarded as one of the greatest feats in boxing history.
          I’m not missing the bigger point. Age had to be adjusted for the era we’re in. Fighters are boxing to an older age now, just like athletes in general are having longer careers where they are productive at ages previously never seen.

          I also think you have to be complete in your assessment of the fighter. Spence is post the car accident. This is 12 rounds. SRL and Hearns were prime. It was 15 rounds.

          That said, I posted it would be the 3rd best ww win in 40+ years. How can anyone have a legitimate problem with that opinion?

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            #55
            Originally posted by NachoMan View Post

            Really? I think you're missing the bigger point. It's not that Spence is equal to early 80's Duran/SRL/Hearns,. Its that Duran, SRL and Hearns were all in their primes when they fought each other the first time. Pacquiao fighting a reigning undefeated, unified WW champion with an 11 year age advantage and every conceivable physical advantage is a far greater achievement than Duran beating SRL or SRL beating Hearns. Those fights were supposed to be competitive. Conventional wisdom says Spence vs. Pac should be a straight beat down. If Pacquiao wins this fight without controversy, it has to be regarded as one of the greatest feats in boxing history.
            Exactly. They were all in their primes. Pac s not even to p ten pfp now, He's a former lightflyweight.
            Any thread that praises pac and tells it like it is, the Floyd fans hijack thread and put their distorted reality forward.

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              #56
              Originally posted by aboutfkntime View Post
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              this is just the usual pac-nonsense that we hear immediately before every pac-fight






              ...

              Which wins at WW (or any weight) do you rate higher?
              Last edited by NachoMan; 08-08-2021, 02:22 PM.

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                #57
                Originally posted by The Big Dunn View Post

                I’m not missing the bigger point. Age had to be adjusted for the era we’re in. Fighters are boxing to an older age now, just like athletes in general are having longer careers where they are productive at ages previously never seen.

                I also think you have to be complete in your assessment of the fighter. Spence is post the car accident. This is 12 rounds. SRL and Hearns were prime. It was 15 rounds.

                That said, I posted it would be the 3rd best ww win in 40+ years. How can anyone have a legitimate problem with that opinion?
                Because your justification makes no sense, that's why. Not all fighters in their 40's today are competing and winning at the highest levels. Just the special ones. I love the Fab 4, but none of them, not even Duran, competed at the top level of the sport as consistently and for as long as Pac. I'm not even a Pac fan and I can say that. As I said earlier, the fights you mention as being greater achievements were supposed to be competitive.

                In your earlier message you stated that context was important in your assessment, then you mentioned the fallacy that Duran had to come up two weight classes to challenge SRL at WW. The fact that you were summarily corrected about that false context didn't change a thing for you, so context doesn't really matter to you.
                Last edited by NachoMan; 08-08-2021, 02:40 PM.

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                  #58
                  Originally posted by NachoMan View Post


                  Which wins at WW (or any weight) do you rate higher?
                  man you got him cornered..

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                    #59
                    Originally posted by hugh grant View Post

                    Exactly. They were all in their primes. Pac s not even to p ten pfp now, He's a former lightflyweight.
                    Any thread that praises pac and tells it like it is, the Floyd fans hijack thread and put their distorted reality forward.
                    This post right here shows why Manny diehards are so despised.

                    I posted if he wins it would be the 3rd best ww win I. 40+ years. The only 2 wins I put above it are legendary wins by 2 of the consensus 5 or 7 greatest boxers that ever lived.

                    Then some pole smoker like Hugh grant suggests that posting this is somehow unfair or critical of Manny and is done to hijack a thread that praises him solely because I like Floyd.

                    You and the dudes like you throw a fit every time there is a post that doesn’t attempt to gobble Manny’s sack the same way you all do.

                    It’s never good enough to put him near the top or enough praise, or even “hate” if you don’t put Manny at the very top of every list.

                    Geez.

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                      #60
                      JMM's win over Pacquiao is better. Moved up and beat the joint P4P #1.

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