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    #11
    Originally posted by .::WaRCoTTo::. View Post
    Well what I was trying to say is..

    Torres and Corley's Power comes from their speed!..he got caught with punches he didn't see coming..and Pac is known for doing that to opponents..

    Bailey was probably the P4P hardest hitting opponent Cotto has ever fought IMO..and he CRACKED Cotto FLUSH!..and it didn't even stun him one bit..and that was at 140..but Bailey isn't about speed..he's solid POWER!..

    I'll say if anything makes Cotto uncomfortable it's 2 styles..Speedy, Power, Combination type fighters..and bigger, pressure, always coming foward type fighters..

    Cotto will have a rough time with Pac..and might even hit the Canvas..but Cotto will fight back and I think he can take the fight to Pac and TKO him..but I don't see Cotto bullying him all night..Pac will stun his ass..I can see it now..
    Great analysis,but Torres is not fast,Corley did catch him with something he didn't see though!!Speed & power is Mosley,no fighter u have discribed has a better combination of both than Mosley!!I also think Cotto will have a rough time with Pacman,but I think the reason is that Pacman is stronger than most can believe!!All in all,I think we mostly agree,great argument!!

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      #12
      Originally posted by cruzan mario View Post
      Great analysis,but Torres is not fast,Corley did catch him with something he didn't see though!!Speed & power is Mosley,no fighter u have discribed has a better combination of both than Mosley!!I also think Cotto will have a rough time with Pacman,but I think the reason is that Pacman is stronger than most can believe!!All in all,I think we mostly agree,great argument!!
      I agree with the Mosley analysis..but that wasn't really Mosley's fastest..his fastest days died a while ago..while still packing a mean powerful punch and decent speed..I still got Pac being much faster at this stage..and his power seems to be carried well with the weight gain..

      And I do believe Torres is pretty fast..he's just WILD with his speed..kind of an unusual style to his fighting as well, cuz he swings from all angles..and Pac does too!..lol..Cotto's gonna have his hands full Nov 14th..and I think that's what is making this fight that much more exciting for me!..

      but no doubt I still think Cotto's got this..but just like Cotto..I'm worried about Pac's speed..if Cotto can neutralize that..it's downhill from there IMO..

      p.s. Is that your daughter in you Avy?..

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        #13
        Originally posted by Matt Marvelous View Post
        Maybe not shot, but definitely changed. I know what I saw in the Marg and Clottey fights. I saw doubt that wasn't there before. He's changed and I don't think he will ever go back to being the calm, confident destroyer that he used to be.
        Maybe your forgot that Clottey and Margarito ain't no joke at 147. His 3 toughest fight Mosley/Margarito/Clottey are the ones that he looked good and bad but that is to be expected due to comp he is facing. I mean you expect Cotto to just bulldoze those fighters? Put Cotto in with a lesser comp and he will turn into a confident destroyer that you speak of.

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          #14
          Originally posted by Tyson2k7 View Post
          Maybe your forgot that Clottey and Margarito ain't no joke at 147. His 3 toughest fight Mosley/Margarito/Clottey are the ones that he looked good and bad but that is to be expected due to comp he is facing. I mean you expect Cotto to just bulldoze those fighters? Put Cotto in with a lesser comp and he will turn into a confident destroyer that you speak of.

          The Cotto that beat Mosley does much better against Clottey. Margy changed him. The Pac fight will tell the truth.

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            #15
            Originally posted by Matt Marvelous View Post
            The Cotto that beat Mosley does much better against Clottey. Margy changed him. The Pac fight will tell the truth.
            i think the marg fight changed him. But, i think he had to gain confidence with the clottey win. Also, he knows now that he is not going to be in the ring with his opponent being bigger. He is the naturally bigger fighter and i think he will have more confidence in that. I really just expect that cotto will hit pac with a left hook and stun him and thats when he will go for the kill what round don't know but even if pac makes it out of that round cause of time he will ge tko the next round. Cotto is a cautious fighter at times and i believe he will be at times during this fight but when he knows he hurt pac he will go for the kill and he is a very good close the show type fighter throws great combinations. And seriously if he cuts of the ring like he did against clottey and gets pac in the corner and connects it will be a quick night.

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              #16
              Originally posted by Matt Marvelous View Post
              The Cotto that beat Mosley does much better against Clottey. Margy changed him. The Pac fight will tell the truth.
              I disagree.

              Cotto imo looked better against Margo than against Mosley. He looked faster and stronger to be honest.These fights sometimes come down to styles since they are all elite.

              Cotto fought well against Clottey, but he got cut which slowed him down. Even without the cut Clottey is tough for anyone so. Stop dissing fighters who are elite who happen to prove their worth. Did you see him take out Jennings? Did he look bad in that fight?

              Clottey/Margo/Mosley are elite and much better than anything Cotto faced previously when he was confidently bulldozing as you say.

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                #17
                Originally posted by Tyson2k7 View Post
                I disagree.

                Cotto imo looked better against Margo than against Mosley. He looked faster and stronger to be honest.These fights sometimes come down to styles since they are all elite.

                Cotto fought well against Clottey, but he got cut which slowed him down. Even without the cut Clottey is tough for anyone so. Stop dissing fighters who are elite who happen to prove their worth. Did you see him take out Jennings? Did he look bad in that fight?

                Clottey/Margo/Mosley are elite and much better than anything Cotto faced previously when he was confidently bulldozing as you say.


                Cotto looked great against Margarito, until Margy started getting to him. Against Clottey, not so much. He looked like the defeated version of himself for most of that fight. And Clottey is not elite to be honest. I give him credit for proceeding with that cut though. That definitely was not easy.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by Matt Marvelous View Post
                  Cotto looked great against Margarito, until Margy started getting to him. Against Clottey, not so much. He looked like the defeated version of himself for most of that fight. And Clottey is not elite to be honest. I give him credit for proceeding with that cut though. That definitely was not easy.
                  i diasagree i thought he looked as good as he could against clottey. Rerember he is the only one to put clottey on the canvas. Also his ring generalship in that fight was superb how many times did he have clottey in the corner throwing combos and some of the combos connected. Clottey is just a beast as a ww. Is cotto different from lets say the gomez fight hell yeah rerember cotto has been in a lot of wars and he has won the majority of them and nov 14 will be no different. Honestly i would love to see cotto vs. marg at the garden that fight would be a huge event i think even mainstream. Think about it if cotto beats pac that would give him a huge "espn" name and if he fought margo at the garden they could have a storyline with cotto and margs first fight and plaster yada tyada yada. But for me it would be a huge fight cause i want to know for sure even though i don't think marg cheated but hey i'm a cotto fan so i have some doubt. But i want it proven once and for all in the garden. Since last fight was in vegas

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                    #19
                    I just think some people are just blind. He won a hard fought decision against CLOTTEY, and now hes damaged goods? Clottey is one of the best welterweights in the sport and who i would pick to beat Pacquaio. Pacquaio is not Clottey in terms of style.

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                      #20
                      I wish I could call Margarito to load up his gloves and have a sparring session with Teddy Atlas for 11 rounds And see if that'll knock some since into his ass. He makes bonehead comments sometimes.

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