Originally posted by DLT
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I know Im a little late but I just watched the Floyd-JMM Countdown. I still dont get how people arent hyping this fight. It has to again be the mass hate for Floyd. Everyone and there momma has JMM ranked as the #2 P4P guy in the sport and nearly every writer Ive seen, thought that JMM beat Pac in there last fight. I mean, if that scorecard goes to Pac then everyone has JMM as the #1 rated guy in the sport. Now he's fighting Floyd. How can you not get hyped about that? Im sick of clowns like Mangler who are always angry and say the same thing every time. Its always an angry resposne. Then he talks about how WW's should fight WW's and Floyd is too big for JMM. Alot of people say that. How does that make sense? I was talkin on here about Dirrell winning the Super 6 the other day and someone asked me how can I pick Dirrell when he hasnt done anything or beaten anyone. My response was that no one has done anything or beaten anyone until theyve done something or beat someone. Meaning, Floyd, Pac, Cotto, or whoever, all had to start somewhere. They all hadnt proven themselves until they proved themselves. That doesnt stop people from picking them ahead of time or saying that they will be great.
If you listen to guys like Mangler then boxing would be the worst sport in the world. What are you saying, that no one from one weight class can fight a guy from another? It makes no sense. It happeneds all the time but people only get upset when its Floyd. I mean flash back just a few fights ago. Everyone was saying that Oscar vs Pac at WW is a joke. They all said that the fight shouldnt happened and that Pac isnt no WW. After the Diaz fight everyone said that his best weight is still 130 and he should go back there but definatly nothing over LW. Now look at what happened. Sure you could say that Oscar was drained but that still doesnt take away from the fact that Pac looked very good at WW. He may not have looked like a true hardcore huge WW but he looked good at the weight. Then he goes down to 140 and destroys the best guy in 2 rounds. Now I just heard Mangler say that Pac shouldnt fight Cotto, he's a true 140 pounder. What? How did he get to be a true 140 pounder when everyone was just saying that he was a true 130 pounder or 135 at the most? How? Because he did it and proved himself. Why cant JMM do the same. He has to start somewhere. Now you have everyone picking Pac to beat the huge Cotto. This is the same Pac who everyone said had no business fighting Oscar and should go back to 130 but yet JMM cant have that shot and be takened seriously?
On the Countdown show you cant even see any difference between him & Floyd in size, except the inch height advantage. There bodies have the same thickness & width. I also find it super hyprocritical how everyone clowns Floyd for being a weak runner, with feather fist, and is straight defense but now everyone thinks he's too much of a huge monster to fight JMM? How does that make sense. People act like Floyd is the biggest ***** in the sport. He pot shots, runs, is defense first, and has the softest punch, but yet JMM cant be in the ring with him because its such a mismatch physicaly? Come on now. At the begining of the Countdown show they were basically going over JMM's resume and showing how he's been killing all the top guys. Do you guys know who JMM is? I dont get it. He's killing all these elite guys, argubaly beat Pac twice, but Pac can move up & JMM cant? How can this fight not be hyped up. MMA has crazy weight fights. Guys move up all the time to fight guys who are bigger and they win. The difference is that those fights are super hyped. Pac-Cotto is super hyped but Floyd isnt? JMM isnt even doing anything super special. It happeneds all the time. Pac just did it, Williams basically just did it, Shane did it against Oscar, Hopkins did it, and Floyd basically did it. Again, I remember when Floyd just beat Gatti at 140 and was talkin about fighting Winky who just killed Tito at 160 and no one downplayed the fight. When it didnt come off then everyone called Floyd a punk. Thats how you can prove its hate.
Williams just got skooled for 12 rounds against Quintana at WW and now is talking about fighting Hopkins at 165 and no one thinks its a joke. Back when Williams got skooled, you all wouldve clowned him. Now he proved himself and people want to see it. Why cant JMM do that and have the fight be legit? Dont give me this small man stuff either. Floyd only started 1 weight class bigger, Pac was coming into the ring bigger than Floyd when JMM was fighting him at lower weights, and Floyd has been the smallest guy in every division he's been in since he left SFW. This guy just iced Casamayor & Diaz. Thats why I so wish that Floyd wouldve waited and let JMM had 1 fight at 140. If he had done that then everyone would be looking at this differently because JMM is going to school nearly everyone at 140. Bradley was my guy who I was high on but he's looked so average & suspect in his last 2 fights. He's obviously not an average fighter but he's average on the elite level. He's like Clottey, he's missing something. He couldve easily had lost to Holt & Nate if they knew how to fight. Dont tell me that JMM cant hold his own against him. What if Floyd right now said that I want to go to MW to fight Williams. No one would clown the fight. Everyone would hype it. Thats a guy jumping 2 divisions. So what Williams came from WW. Didnt Floyd come from SFW? Why are those fights legit but this isnt? Its just because its Floyd. Thats it. Again, everyone was saying the same exact things about Pac. He's a true 130 pounder, he shouldnt move up, this fight is a joke, that fight is a joke, and now he's done it. JMM cant?
Floyd again is in a no win situation for no reason. Everyone has this guy ranked #2 and is fighting the former P4P #1 but this fight is being dismissed. I cant beleive it. This fight is amazing to me because not only is it 2 of the best and the 2 most skilled guys in the world but its just a different type of fight. You usually dont see guys like JMM, Pac, MAB, EM, fight guys like Floyd. Its so different & great which should add even more too it. You got guys who are historians like Burt Sugar who are hyped about it. Some writers who are fair have actually said that they would put Floyd #1 if he destroyed JMM because they think its a fair fight but everyone who hates him is clowning it. Yet Cotto who was coming into the ring at 157 pounds for all his SLW fights and looking huge at WW is fighting a guy in Pac who started fighting at 56 pounds but everyone loves that fight. Come on man. Stop letting your hate get in the way. Now all people talk about is sales and this or that. Who cares. These are great fights that have already been made. I dont care if no one buys the fight, that doesnt stop it from being a great legendary fight.
Were only an inch away from people talking about this fight like people are talking about Floyd vs Pac. It couldve easily had been Floyd vs JMM that everyone was talkin about if he gets those close nods that alot of people think he deserved. Bottom line, if youre not up for this one then you are not a boxing fan in any way. Even the hater Dougie Fishcer says that its a good fight and JMM could easily win. Watch if Floyd kills him, he'll take all the credit away from him despite saying the whole time that JMM would give him hell. Other writers have said that Floyd is crazy for fighting JMM in his 1st fight back. I hear alot of you calling him a tuneup. Even the Floyd fans because there embarrased. HOw can you call the #2 guy a tuneup. Is Floyd a tuneup for Williams at MW? Come on now. These guys are the best. Look at what little BJ Penn has done. This is nothing new yet this is the only fight that doesnt get takened seriously. This will be another big Floyd win that he gets no credit for in the history books. Sad. Again, JMM has destroyed some of the highest ranked guys in the sport. I mean abused them and skooled them. The 2 most fundemental & skilled fighters in the game cant get more respect?
If you listen to guys like Mangler then boxing would be the worst sport in the world. What are you saying, that no one from one weight class can fight a guy from another? It makes no sense. It happeneds all the time but people only get upset when its Floyd. I mean flash back just a few fights ago. Everyone was saying that Oscar vs Pac at WW is a joke. They all said that the fight shouldnt happened and that Pac isnt no WW. After the Diaz fight everyone said that his best weight is still 130 and he should go back there but definatly nothing over LW. Now look at what happened. Sure you could say that Oscar was drained but that still doesnt take away from the fact that Pac looked very good at WW. He may not have looked like a true hardcore huge WW but he looked good at the weight. Then he goes down to 140 and destroys the best guy in 2 rounds. Now I just heard Mangler say that Pac shouldnt fight Cotto, he's a true 140 pounder. What? How did he get to be a true 140 pounder when everyone was just saying that he was a true 130 pounder or 135 at the most? How? Because he did it and proved himself. Why cant JMM do the same. He has to start somewhere. Now you have everyone picking Pac to beat the huge Cotto. This is the same Pac who everyone said had no business fighting Oscar and should go back to 130 but yet JMM cant have that shot and be takened seriously?
On the Countdown show you cant even see any difference between him & Floyd in size, except the inch height advantage. There bodies have the same thickness & width. I also find it super hyprocritical how everyone clowns Floyd for being a weak runner, with feather fist, and is straight defense but now everyone thinks he's too much of a huge monster to fight JMM? How does that make sense. People act like Floyd is the biggest ***** in the sport. He pot shots, runs, is defense first, and has the softest punch, but yet JMM cant be in the ring with him because its such a mismatch physicaly? Come on now. At the begining of the Countdown show they were basically going over JMM's resume and showing how he's been killing all the top guys. Do you guys know who JMM is? I dont get it. He's killing all these elite guys, argubaly beat Pac twice, but Pac can move up & JMM cant? How can this fight not be hyped up. MMA has crazy weight fights. Guys move up all the time to fight guys who are bigger and they win. The difference is that those fights are super hyped. Pac-Cotto is super hyped but Floyd isnt? JMM isnt even doing anything super special. It happeneds all the time. Pac just did it, Williams basically just did it, Shane did it against Oscar, Hopkins did it, and Floyd basically did it. Again, I remember when Floyd just beat Gatti at 140 and was talkin about fighting Winky who just killed Tito at 160 and no one downplayed the fight. When it didnt come off then everyone called Floyd a punk. Thats how you can prove its hate.
Williams just got skooled for 12 rounds against Quintana at WW and now is talking about fighting Hopkins at 165 and no one thinks its a joke. Back when Williams got skooled, you all wouldve clowned him. Now he proved himself and people want to see it. Why cant JMM do that and have the fight be legit? Dont give me this small man stuff either. Floyd only started 1 weight class bigger, Pac was coming into the ring bigger than Floyd when JMM was fighting him at lower weights, and Floyd has been the smallest guy in every division he's been in since he left SFW. This guy just iced Casamayor & Diaz. Thats why I so wish that Floyd wouldve waited and let JMM had 1 fight at 140. If he had done that then everyone would be looking at this differently because JMM is going to school nearly everyone at 140. Bradley was my guy who I was high on but he's looked so average & suspect in his last 2 fights. He's obviously not an average fighter but he's average on the elite level. He's like Clottey, he's missing something. He couldve easily had lost to Holt & Nate if they knew how to fight. Dont tell me that JMM cant hold his own against him. What if Floyd right now said that I want to go to MW to fight Williams. No one would clown the fight. Everyone would hype it. Thats a guy jumping 2 divisions. So what Williams came from WW. Didnt Floyd come from SFW? Why are those fights legit but this isnt? Its just because its Floyd. Thats it. Again, everyone was saying the same exact things about Pac. He's a true 130 pounder, he shouldnt move up, this fight is a joke, that fight is a joke, and now he's done it. JMM cant?
Floyd again is in a no win situation for no reason. Everyone has this guy ranked #2 and is fighting the former P4P #1 but this fight is being dismissed. I cant beleive it. This fight is amazing to me because not only is it 2 of the best and the 2 most skilled guys in the world but its just a different type of fight. You usually dont see guys like JMM, Pac, MAB, EM, fight guys like Floyd. Its so different & great which should add even more too it. You got guys who are historians like Burt Sugar who are hyped about it. Some writers who are fair have actually said that they would put Floyd #1 if he destroyed JMM because they think its a fair fight but everyone who hates him is clowning it. Yet Cotto who was coming into the ring at 157 pounds for all his SLW fights and looking huge at WW is fighting a guy in Pac who started fighting at 56 pounds but everyone loves that fight. Come on man. Stop letting your hate get in the way. Now all people talk about is sales and this or that. Who cares. These are great fights that have already been made. I dont care if no one buys the fight, that doesnt stop it from being a great legendary fight.
Were only an inch away from people talking about this fight like people are talking about Floyd vs Pac. It couldve easily had been Floyd vs JMM that everyone was talkin about if he gets those close nods that alot of people think he deserved. Bottom line, if youre not up for this one then you are not a boxing fan in any way. Even the hater Dougie Fishcer says that its a good fight and JMM could easily win. Watch if Floyd kills him, he'll take all the credit away from him despite saying the whole time that JMM would give him hell. Other writers have said that Floyd is crazy for fighting JMM in his 1st fight back. I hear alot of you calling him a tuneup. Even the Floyd fans because there embarrased. HOw can you call the #2 guy a tuneup. Is Floyd a tuneup for Williams at MW? Come on now. These guys are the best. Look at what little BJ Penn has done. This is nothing new yet this is the only fight that doesnt get takened seriously. This will be another big Floyd win that he gets no credit for in the history books. Sad. Again, JMM has destroyed some of the highest ranked guys in the sport. I mean abused them and skooled them. The 2 most fundemental & skilled fighters in the game cant get more respect?
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