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    #11
    Originally posted by screwhead1 View Post
    agreed...but i also think he needs to take out shane simply for his belt...shane will be a hall of famer...for his legacy's sake...they need to fight...but i'm not really even sure if pac can beat any of them...he sure as hell couldn't beat mayweather...
    nah. pac has a shot. otherwise people won't go ape **** for that fight.

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      #12
      Originally posted by dde91 View Post
      to prove anything anymore. I read a post that said Pacquiao needs Mayweather because Mayweather could fight Mosley, Cotto, and Williams after his Marquez fight a Make his Legacy bigger (which we all know it would be a miracle for him to fight even one) and Pacquiao doesn't have options after Cotto. Well to me i feel if Pacquiao retires right now, then he has achieved way more then Mayweather has. But if Pacquiao was to retire on a Cotto win, then he would be a legend with the ATG's that will live on forever.

      But my questions are, do you think Mayweather needs Pacquaio or Pacquiao needs Mayweather??? and do you think Pacquiao has already Stamped his legacy?
      IMO, A Cotto win at catchweight does not do anything for his legacy. But history will be good to him so this will increase his legacy. Catchweights are not easily remembered by casual fans.

      I agree with you that Pac has achieve more than Floyd at this point. But who knows ... maybe Pac retires after Cotto and Floyd went on a tear of risky opponent.

      Mayweather needs Pacquiao more ... both in terms of legacy and money. His negotiating power would rocket upwards. Of course he is already in that category 2 years ago, but Pac has filled that void pretty well in his megafight performances. If he wins over pac, he will be back on the financial A-side of any fight negotiations. Legacy-wise ... Yes, but not that much. He will always be viewed as the bigger, more skillful man and rightfully odds-favorite if they ever do meet.

      Pac has already sealed his legacy. I have supported him even before the Sasakuk fight and have enjoyed the ride from the one-dimensional to the complete fighter he is know. I would not have blamed him if he chooses easy fights. But looking at his proposed opponents(Cotto, Mosley, or Floyd).. those are not easy fights catchweight or otherwise. But knowing pac, he will be competitive and always entertain us - win,lose, or draw. So any fight from here onwards will only add to his legacy but his place in history is already secured.

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        #13
        Originally posted by dde91 View Post
        to prove anything anymore. I read a post that said Pacquiao needs Mayweather because Mayweather could fight Mosley, Cotto, and Williams after his Marquez fight a Make his Legacy bigger (which we all know it would be a miracle for him to fight even one) and Pacquiao doesn't have options after Cotto. Well to me i feel if Pacquiao retires right now, then he has achieved way more then Mayweather has. But if Pacquiao was to retire on a Cotto win, then he would be a legend with the ATG's that will live on forever.

        But my questions are, do you think Mayweather needs Pacquaio or Pacquiao needs Mayweather??? and do you think Pacquiao has already Stamped his legacy?
        Manny Pacquiao seems to have been doing well tremendously without Mayweather for the last decade or so. With Cotto`s demolition, Pac would be the only boxer in all-time history to have won 7 weight titles and 4 lineal titles.

        Mayweather does not surpass that except for the `0` that a lot of boxers currently have, nor does he have a welterweight title that Pac needs to make his legacy.

        So yes, Pac does not need PBF, and PBF needs Pac, unretiring and willing to sacrifice his `0` to pay the IRS.
        Last edited by ThunderWolf; 07-16-2009, 02:48 AM.

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          #14
          Originally posted by aether View Post
          nah. pac has a shot. otherwise people won't go ape **** for that fight.
          i'm not saying it would be a slaughter house show...but i think pac may have a slight advantage over the what JMM can do...they are both basically the same fighter...those wild looping punches will bring murder to pac's face if he goes in like that on mayweather...

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            #15
            Originally posted by Flawed View Post
            He ain't **** till he beats Floyd.
            And Floyd is the **** for fighting a LW?

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              #16
              Nah, nothing to prove. But, everyone will always bring up the question for decades to come - who would've won between Pac and Mayweather? I'd sooner find out, than speculate.

              Really, I hope both the Cotto and Marquez fights still get cancelled. Despite my desire for Pac-Marquez III, Pac-Mayweather is the only real superfight that should happen this year.

              For that, I wouldn't even mind a catchweight. 144 would be fine.

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                #17
                Originally posted by mangler View Post
                Pac don't need to prove **** anymore. He don't even need Cotto.
                agreed

                Originally posted by Flawed View Post
                He ain't **** till he beats Floyd.
                lol how old are you?? 14??

                Originally posted by ThunderWolf View Post
                Manny Pacquiao seems to have been doing well tremendously without Mayweather for the last decade or so. With Cotto`s demolition, Pac would be the only boxer in all-time history to have won 7 weight titles and 4 lineal titles.

                Mayweather does not surpass that except for the `0` that a lot of boxers currently have, nor does he have a welterweight title that Pac needs to make his legacy.

                So yes, Pac does not need PBF, and PBF needs Pac, unretiring and willing to sacrifice his `0` to pay the IRS.
                and that 0 means nothing because he avoid the top fighters.

                Originally posted by dde91 View Post
                And Floyd is the **** for fighting a LW?
                lmao

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by dde91 View Post
                  to prove anything anymore. I read a post that said Pacquiao needs Mayweather because Mayweather could fight Mosley, Cotto, and Williams after his Marquez fight a Make his Legacy bigger (which we all know it would be a miracle for him to fight even one) and Pacquiao doesn't have options after Cotto. Well to me i feel if Pacquiao retires right now, then he has achieved way more then Mayweather has. But if Pacquiao was to retire on a Cotto win, then he would be a legend with the ATG's that will live on forever. But my questions are, do you think Mayweather needs Pacquaio or Pacquiao needs Mayweather??? and do you think Pacquiao has already Stamped his legacy?
                  pac dont got nothing else to prove, he's done it all. just getting in the ring with cotto shows his character and warrior spirit. something floyd lacks due to fear of losing his 0.

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                    #19
                    Pac is already a great of the sport. All this higher weight stuff is not necessary for me. He is fighting guys who are out of his weight class. Fair enough if he beats them, but the wins that made him a great are the ones at the lower weights.

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                      #20
                      is this really NSB? am I dreaming?

                      PAC is getting the respect he trully deserves..

                      i'll just wait till the haters arrive..

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