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    #11
    Originally posted by Kevin Jesus View Post
    How many Middleweights in Boxing history have gone up to Heavyweight and beat a champion up there?

    I know it has been done before but how many times?

    If that's not a risk then nothing is.

    Roy Jones
    Bernard Hopkins(He was underdog in a whole bunch of fights Trinidad, Tarver, Pavlik, I think in the Taylor fight too Etc.)
    James Toney
    Joe Calzaghe
    While on paper that sounds awesome, Roy Jones fought JON RUIZ, the weakest heavyweight "champ" at the time. James Toney (form middleiweght) stayed at heavyweight, beat Ruiz & Holyfield, amongst others.

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      #12
      RJ for me.

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        #13
        Originally posted by Mr._Pink View Post
        jones was in a **** division.

        calzaghe was in a **** division and didn't fight anyone with a pulse.

        hopkins was the king of the welterweight division.



        toney is the man.
        Originally posted by ElChicano View Post
        See I can understand the going up to Heavyweight thing in a way BUT common dude, he fought John Ruiz.
        Co sign to both!!!!!!

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          #14
          Originally posted by Mr._Pink View Post
          jones was in a **** division.

          calzaghe was in a **** division and didn't fight anyone with a pulse.

          hopkins was the king of the welterweight division.



          toney is the man.
          What welterweights did hopkins exactly fight?

          Oscar's prior fight was at 160, which indeed he didn't look great it but he was great at 154.

          Trinidad was a certified middleweight champion and if it wasn't for hopkins, tito would have been king at 160.

          So lets use trinidad. Ok, that's one "welterweight."

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            #15
            Originally posted by ИATAS206 View Post
            While on paper that sounds awesome, Roy Jones fought JON RUIZ, the weakest heavyweight "champ" at the time. James Toney (form middleiweght) stayed at heavyweight, beat Ruiz & Holyfield, amongst others.

            This is exactly why I voted for Toney.

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              #16
              Originally posted by mangler View Post
              RJ for me.
              Besides going up to heavyweight for one fight to take on John the beast Ruiz, what exactly risks did Jones take again?

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                #17
                Originally posted by ИATAS206 View Post
                What welterweights did hopkins exactly fight?

                Oscar's prior fight was at 160, which indeed he didn't look great it but he was great at 154.

                Trinidad was a certified middleweight champion and if it wasn't for hopkins, tito would have been king at 160.

                So lets use trinidad. Ok, that's one "welterweight."
                Tito and LDh 2 WWs he fought at MW. OPavlik a MW whom he fought at 170.

                hell even calzaghe was the smaller man!!!!!!!!!

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by ElChicano View Post
                  This is exactly why I voted for Toney.
                  For me it's close between toney & hopkins, toney though should get faulted a tad because he just got fat and kinda forced himself into the HW division. Still, people often overlook how difficult it is for someone to be successful at HW with a smaller body frame like toney.

                  Hopkins though NEVER took an easy fight after a loss. All these other guys have tune ups hopkins hasn't fought a tune up in around or more than 10 years. After losing to taylor, he went up in weight to fight the man at light heavyweight and ring champ. After losing closley to calzaghe, hopkins takes on the 26 year old undisputed champ in kelly pavlik. All of this over the age of 40 years old.

                  To me I gotta go with Hopkins, narrowly.

                  Calzaghe isn't even in the race to be honest, I just wanted to see if anyone would vote for him. He waited 15 years or whatever before he took on a challenge in lacy then fought two 40 year olds. haha

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by ИATAS206 View Post
                    For me it's close between toney & hopkins, toney though should get faulted a tad because he just got fat and kinda forced himself into the HW division. Still, people often overlook how difficult it is for someone to be successful at HW with a smaller body frame like toney.

                    Hopkins though NEVER took an easy fight after a loss. All these other guys have tune ups hopkins hasn't fought a tune up in around or more than 10 years. After losing to taylor, he went up in weight to fight the man at light heavyweight and ring champ. After losing closley to calzaghe, hopkins takes on the 26 year old undisputed champ in kelly pavlik. All of this over the age of 40 years old.

                    To me I gotta go with Hopkins, narrowly.

                    Calzaghe isn't even in the race to be honest, I just wanted to see if anyone would vote for him. He waited 15 years or whatever before he took on a challenge in lacy then fought two 40 year olds. haha
                    Toney fought bigger men, Hopkins fought smaller ones. This age thing isn't an excuse either to be picking on blown up WWs/Jr.MWs.

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by Ch@mpBox@PR View Post
                      Tito and LDh 2 WWs he fought at MW.
                      Oscar was at 154 for 4-5 years before moving up to 160 and fighting Strum. He then fought Hopkins at a catweight of 158 (hopkins weighed in at 156, oscar weighed 155.

                      So no, Oscar wasn't a welterweight.

                      Trinidad also wasn't a welter, he fought at 154 for several fights and then became a champion at 160 pounds.

                      You can say his best work was at 147, but he was not a welterweight when bernard beat him. Bernard did his job in unifying all of the belts at 160 and tito owned one of them, so I cant see why you would fault hopkins there for beating a legitimate champ at 160.

                      OPavlik a MW whom he fought at 170.
                      To your own logic hopkins was a middleweight too. You can say tito and oscar were welterweghts because they fought there years prior to hopkins, and not say the same about hopkins. Hopkins was at 160 pounds for damn near 20 years. Look at the weigh in pavlik and hopkins were like identical twice besides the color:


                      hell even calzaghe was the smaller man!!!!!!!!![/QUOTE]

                      Calzaghe is naturally bigger than hopkins and pavlik is exactly the same size as hopkins.

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