Manny Pacquiao is faster and has more handspeed than PBfmJ aka Money

[Sin City]

timing beats speed.
mayweather doesn't need to be faster then manny
just know how to time him.
that's something mayweater is good at.

[Pullcounter]

I rewatched the Mayweather/Hatton fight the other day. What was really starting to be obvious to me was that up until rds 8 and 9, Floyd was strictly using the lead right and duck strategy that BHOP uses. If he attempts to use that type of strategy in against Pac, he will get rocked. He ducked to the left after each lead which left him open to a right uppercut every time. Hatton did not capitalize on this but JMM will and if he does, Floyd will get legitimately dropped for the first time in his career.

I don't think floyd will fight pac the same way he fought hatton

Pac is faster that Floyd as Floyd uses timing to set people up and it makes him look a lot faster than he is (not to say that Floyd is slow because he is really fast). Pac has very good footwork and is more aggressive than Mayweather.

exactly...

speed: pac > floyd
timing: floyd > pac

You're a ****ing idiot.

you're a douche bag

Floyd is fast enough to loan Fanny Pac some speed.

nope. floyd could loan pac some timing tho.

nah........because despite the loud noise that berto punches appear to make, they lack power and are not really all that solid.

yep, bertos' best punch is the uppercut, but he doesn't throw that often.

they are choppy punches. also berto is erratic in the ring and doesnt really throw with any accuracy(unlike floyd mayweather).

yep, berto doesn't have a great punch selection.

he just fights in spurts, and exploded into four and five punch combos....................

yep, explode, clinch, rinse repeat.

even with all that said he still is faster than pac, mayweather, and judah

um.... no. probably not.

[jrv1932]

At 130 Floyd was faster. He was in and out. He was like a cobra. Look at Coralles and G. Hernandez fights. Since he moved up to 140 he doesn't use that style anymore for whatever reason. Floyd, despite what so many people say doesn't win with his speed. He wins with defense, stamina, timing, and ring smarts. I think the difference against Pacquiao would be his length and timing. I don't think Pac will be able to deal with that. I don't think Pac would be able to beat Cotto, Mosley, Mayweather, or most good welters. I also think he would struggle with a guy like Bradley or Holt, Guzman, or Campbell, although I think he could very well win. Theres nobody more explosive than Pac but a good boxer with solid speed will have a good chance.. He wins with his speed and if he slows down he will not be near as effective as he is now. Mayweather is different. He wins with just phenominal ring smarts and subtle skills

I'm watching Pacquiao-Hatton and Mayweather-Hatton side by side, and it is clear to me that Pacqiao is much faster than Floyd. Mind you, Hatton was taught to slip punches only after the Mayweather fight by Floyd Sr. Yet Hatton was able to react a bit to Floyd's punches in that fight.

This is why Floyd had to run from Hatton in that fight and lead him into punches. Manny had no such problem, and that's why he knocked him out so easily.

There's always a reason for a fighter to move back.... that's the real reason why Pacquiao was able to dispose of Hatton so early, he didn't need to move back all the time because it was a complete mismatch in speed to begin with.

To conclude, its pretty obvious that Pacquiao has more handspeed than Mayweather (not even talking about combinations), and either has more power or the speed creates it.

Real talk.

[miamijohn]

Its hard to say what Floyd will or wont do with Pacquiao,...For he has NEVER fought ANYONE [ANYONE] like Pacquiao. What Floyd does with JMM is irrelevant for the fact that what Pac and JMM did when they fought was at a lower weight class in a different time in their career. JMM maynot be able to perform at his best at a higher weight as Pacquiao has done. The only reason Floyd wants to fight JMM is because he feels that JMM is the last man to beat Pacquiao [at a lower weight class]
I dont care if Floyd kills JMM..It wont prove nothing in preparation for Pacquiao at this point in time in Pacs career

[Deja_Vous]

Its hard to say what Floyd will or wont do with Pacquiao,...For he has NEVER fought ANYONE [ANYONE] like Pacquiao. What Floyd does with JMM is irrelevant for the fact that what Pac and JMM did when they fought was at a lower weight class in a different time in their career. JMM maynot be able to perform at his best at a higher weight as Pacquiao has done. The only reason Floyd wants to fight JMM is because he feels that JMM is the last man to beat Pacquiao [at a lower weight class]
I dont care if Floyd kills JMM..It wont prove nothing in preparation for Pacquiao at this point in time in Pacs career

Fanny Pas has NEVER fought ANYONE like Mayweather.

[Shadow boxer 3]

pac probley is a little faster but its not by a whole lot. also Floyds speed is based more on timing rather than pure speed

[DLT]

Im not going to say that Pac isnt faster but I will say that no one on here can prove that. Ive said this a million times. You cant just watch Pac & Floyd and say that Pac is faster because its 2 totally different styles. I always tell people this. I use to tell people this about Zab & Floyd. Both Pac & Zab are just 2 pure speed guys. They let there hands go and just throw shots. Floyd is never going to swing that way so he will never ever look faster even though he might be. Its the same for JMM. Both Floyd & JMM use precise accurate punches. If you put 2 guys side by side and tell them to throw 20 punches and one guy just swings as fast as he can and the other guy throws perfect form precise shots then the 1st guy is going to look alot faster even though he might not be.

It goes back to what Senior was talking about when he said that Pac throws amature punches. He mimicked what Pac was doing and he said anyone can do that. He said that a kid can do that but its not boxing. Im not saying that Senior is right in all of that but he's right in the fact that Pac is just letting his hands go so its going to look way faster then a guy like Floyd & Pac who are being more precised with it. If you tell both those guys to just throw as fast as they can over and over again like Pac does then they will look just as fast. Look at Floyd in the AT&T commercial. Even then he's throwing different type of punches.

The OP talks about the Hatton fight but again thats nigh & day. It didnt have nothing to do with speed as much as it was style and the fact that Pac is a Southpaw. You cant overlook that stuff. You could easily tell that the Southpaw style mesmorized Hatton. You times that by 2 when you add on the speed but dont act like it was just the speed that threw Hatton off. He didnt know how to attack him with that style. He didnt have that problem with Floyd because Floyd uses a more basic style and will basically let you hit him alot but he will block them. You cant compare the 2, its not the same. The same with Zab vs Floyd. People got all crazy about Zab looking faster but he was a Southpaw who could freely let his hands go while Floyd was worried about being precised and accurate without getting caught. Zab is always going to look faster in that sense

[S A M U R A I]

nah, pac for sure is faster, but timing does trump speed.

The problem with this is trying to time what you can't see coming because it happens too quick.



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[nujabes77]

who is faster? ask dlh and hatton
who is stronger? ask dlh and hatton
who is better at timing? ask dlh and hatton


enuff said, now bring on the lame excuses

[sandyvahra]

Pac has kept his speed moving up in weight better than floyd has. floyd's timing is better than pac's, but he's been rusty and fighting marquez does nothing to prep for a pacman fight. Im calling pac UD now on activity.