bruce lee vs any boxer (106lbs to 240lbs)

[bsrizpac]

I never thought I would walk in on a thread were people actually thought Bruce Lee was a fraud. wow, I can't think of to many martial art masters with video footage of them beating ass. So are we grouping Jet Li into this discussion as well??

Jesus Christ. Wu Shu is a demonstration art. Li is a master at it.

He has had no fighting tournament wins. Just tournaments in WU SHU. Learn what Wu Shu is.

And before you whine about the thread, take the time to read what I'm saying. I'm not calling Bruce Lee a fraud. I'm saying you can't rate him as a fighter since he never FOUGHT or fougth anyone legit. I mean some street scuffles are greata and all, but a lot of people have had those.

The real question is, if you think Bruce Lee could beat EVERY BOXER EVER, do you think WONG JACK MAN could do that same?

How about any random Kung Fu master? Aikido master?

These arts have not been proven in LIVE combat in the modern era (the early UFC, SHOOTO and pancrase events showed the weakness of NO SPARRING LIVE which most of these core arts do not do).

But hey, ignore my logic and research and just accept the movie fights you see as real. Fine by me.

[pigdestroyer]

bruce basically invented mixed martial arts for those who didnt know

i'm absolutely fascinated by the fact that such a great fighter is one who enjoyed learning and practicing as much as fighting. i always enjoy the presence of an intelligent fighter much more than anything else.

[WhoreUs]

Judo Gene Labell schooled him in sparring. Hero worship over.

But hey enjoy your fantasy.

people like to say the jeet kune do is the start of mma and that jeet kune do tries to incorporate things from other martial arts and fighting systems.

not true.

bruce tried to incorporate things from other traditional striking martial arts.

bruce lee was totally lost when it came to the grappling arts which he just couldn't comprehend.

[bsrizpac]

i'm absolutely fascinated by the fact that such a great fighter is one who enjoyed learning and practicing as much as fighting. i always enjoy the presence of an intelligent fighter much more than anything else.

MMA was going on before LEE.

He conceptually was in agreement with the IDEA of NHB (not MMA as it is a pussified watered down version of NHB). But there were tons of MMA matches before Lee.

In fact DESPITE what Lee said and thought he is responsible (through his movies and NOT HIS FAULT) for cropping up Martial arts fakes and kung fu/karate/TKD schools that set martial arts back and away from the idea of No Holds Barred MMA.

You think people watched his film and went hey, I'll go sign up for Judo? NO.

[bsrizpac]

people like to say the jeet kune do is the start of mma and that jeet kune do tries to incorporate things from other martial arts and fighting systems.

not true.

bruce tried to incorporate things from other traditional striking martial arts.

bruce lee was totally lost when it came to the grappling arts which he just couldn't comprehend.

He appreciated them but he died before he could really study them.

He sparred with Gene Lebell and got completely handled- a fact his nut brigade will forget.

He DID not understand grappling. However, it is wrong for you to say he wasn't at least curious and hadn't THOUGHT about it.

He did tend to prefer stand up tactics more but you can see grappling ideals in there (notes in Tao of Jeet kun do)

[bsrizpac]

yes bruce was very inteligant and even studied human movement..he made fighting a science....if people doubt it thats their problem but i refuse to argue...a non fighter could never write such inteligance....you cant act fighting

I'm not arguing. I'm just ASTONISHED that you refuse to read the evidence I have given you and SHOWN that Gary Elms did not exist (or if he did there is no proof).

I love how you'll just ignore that and keep saying Bruce could kill anyone.

[larry x]

i'm absolutely fascinated by the fact that such a great fighter is one who enjoyed learning and practicing as much as fighting. i always enjoy the presence of an intelligent fighter much more than anything else.

yes bruce was very inteligant and even studied human movement..he made fighting a science....if people doubt it thats their problem but i refuse to argue...a non fighter could never write such inteligance....you cant act fighting

[larry x]

MMA was going on before LEE.
He conceptually was in agreement with the IDEA of NHB (not MMA as it is a pussified watered down version of NHB). But there were tons of MMA matches before Lee.

In fact DESPITE what Lee said and thought he is responsible (through his movies and NOT HIS FAULT) for cropping up Martial arts fakes and kung fu/karate/TKD schools that set martial arts back and away from the idea of No Holds Barred MMA.

You think people watched his film and went hey, I'll go sign up for Judo? NO.

thats bull****..mma wasnt even around in the 60's and 70's man

[bsrizpac]

thats bull****..mma wasnt even around in the 60's and 70's man

WOW.

WOW.

Okay, sorry to do this to you:

Competing in the heavyweight division at only 165 pounds, LeBell won the AAU National Judo Championships both in 1954 and 1955. In 1963, LeBell accepted a public challenge to fight boxer Milo Savage in Salt Lake City. Competing as a "judo/karate" fighter, LeBell defeated Savage - choking him unconscious in the 4th round.

Helio Gracie had 19 professional fights in his career. He began his fighting career when he submitted professional boxer Antonio Portugal in 30 seconds in 1932.

Shall I continue?

[larry x]

bruce was doing arm bars in movies before it was actually done