Bernard Hopkins/Floyd Mayweather

[jrv1932]

I am a big fan of both. I truly believe these styles are really unappreciated and are truly boxing craftsmanship, but why are Hopkins biggest wins considered GREAT and people just dog Floyd's biggest wins or his future opponents. BHOP did great at middleweight throughout his career as Floyd did in several weight classes, against great competition that they should get a lot of credit for but lets compare their BIGGEST fights later in their career. Again they both had great fights early on as well.

BHOP
Trinidad-Was a great undefeated fighter who was naturally a smaller man. Hmmmm?

De La Hoya- The cash cow. Had to move up in weight to fight Hopkins at a catch weight. Way undersized compared to Hopkins.

Tarver- Hopkins moved up and it was a good win

Wright-Fought most of his career at 154. Only a couple fights at middleweight. Had to move up to 170 to fight Hopkins.

Calzaghe- Moved up to 175 to fight Hopkins from 168.

Pavlik- Middleweight champ had to move up to 170 to fight Hopkins.

May:
Gatti: Considered to be past it.
Judah: Coming off a loss, but very tough opponent
Baldomir: Considered less talented but many thought his size would be a big problem
De La Hoya: Floyd moved up to fight him
Hatton: Critiscized for fighting him at 147
Marquez: Getting KILLED by detractors for this fight because Marquez is too small.
Pacquiao(Possible) Will be same as above.

My main point is this: Why does Hopkins fighting Oscar, Calzaghe, Trinidad, Winky, and Pavlik elevate him and if Floyd fights someone smaller or considered past their prime the detractors go after him. I mean Winky, Oscar, Trinidad, Joe, and Pavlik all came up to fight him. Pavlik moved up 10 pounds to fight Bernard and people put Bernard on a pedestal for this win. I mean it wasn't all action, or a KO performance. He gave Pavlik a slow, methodical boxing lesson. Marquez is moving up probably about 8 pounds(he was going to come up to 140 anyways) and the hate on Floyd has never been greater.

Hopkins doesn't want to fight Chad Dawson and turned down Roy Jones but Floyd is hated on for not fighting certain guys.

I would like to see them both fight certain guys, but I am a big fan of both and take no credit from either of their accomplishments. I just want to make a point about the hate on Floyd compared to another great fighter who has done similar things that Floyd gets critiscized for.

Bernard was once asked would he rather have the legacy and belts, or the money and he flat out said the money. The money is so big today that everyone is going to take the fights that will pay them the most.

Past fighters would have done the same thing if they were getting paid like this!

[larry x]

i am a big fan of both. I truly believe these styles are really unappreciated and are truly boxing craftsmanship, but why are hopkins biggest wins considered great and people just dog floyd's biggest wins or his future opponents. Bhop did great at middleweight throughout his career as floyd did in several weight classes, against great competition that they should get a lot of credit for but lets compare their biggest fights later in their career. Again they both had great fights early on as well.

Bhop
trinidad-was a great undefeated fighter who was naturally a smaller man. Hmmmm?

De la hoya- the cash cow. Had to move up in weight to fight hopkins at a catch weight. Way undersized compared to hopkins.

Tarver- hopkins moved up and it was a good win

wright-fought most of his career at 154. Only a couple fights at middleweight. Had to move up to 170 to fight hopkins.

Calzaghe- moved up to 175 to fight hopkins from 168.

Pavlik- middleweight champ had to move up to 170 to fight hopkins.

May:
Gatti: Considered to be past it.
Judah: Coming off a loss, but very tough opponent
baldomir: Considered less talented but many thought his size would be a big problem
de la hoya: Floyd moved up to fight him
hatton: Critiscized for fighting him at 147
marquez: Getting killed by detractors for this fight because marquez is too small.
Pacquiao(possible) will be same as above.

My main point is this: Why does hopkins fighting oscar, calzaghe, trinidad, winky, and pavlik elevate him and if floyd fights someone smaller or considered past their prime the detractors go after him. I mean winky, oscar, trinidad, joe, and pavlik all came up to fight him. Pavlik moved up 10 pounds to fight bernard and people put bernard on a pedestal for this win. I mean it wasn't all action, or a ko performance. He gave pavlik a slow, methodical boxing lesson. Marquez is moving up probably about 8 pounds(he was going to come up to 140 anyways) and the hate on floyd has never been greater.

hopkins doesn't want to fight chad dawson and turned down roy jones but floyd is hated on for not fighting certain guys.
i would like to see them both fight certain guys, but i am a big fan of both and take no credit from either of their accomplishments. I just want to make a point about the hate on floyd compared to another great fighter who has done similar things that floyd gets critiscized for.

Bernard was once asked would he rather have the legacy and belts, or the money and he flat out said the money. The money is so big today that everyone is going to take the fights that will pay them the most.

Past fighters would have done the same thing if they were getting paid like this!

um let me take this one..these are my 2 favorite fighters..but to answer your question...hopkins is 44 and floyd is 32

[fabzmm]

he's overated and get's a pass because he's old. truth is, he cherry picks opponents. the only time when he was the same size with a young opponent was JT, and we same him get beat twice.

[ACHlLLES]

People don't like them because they're boring and they cheat and get away with it. Mayweather uses his elbows as a weapon against his opponents, hopkins is ruthless at headbutting. Hopkins kind of has an excuse seeing how he is like 44 years old, Mayweather doesn't have an excuse in my opinion.

[larry x]

People don't like them because they're boring and they cheat and get away with it. Mayweather uses his elbows as a weapon against his opponents, hopkins is ruthless at headbutting. Hopkins kind of has an excuse seeing how he is like 44 years old, Mayweather doesn't have an excuse in my opinion.

cheats???looks at margo in your sig and lmfao

[El Dominicano]

B-Hop vs DLH = Catch weight of 156, we're not gonna ***** about 2 lbs

Pavlik vs Taylor = Was at a catch weight of 166, Pavlik only moved up 4lbs to fight B-Hop

Again, Tito K.O'd Joppy and can we really say B-Hop used his size? NO!

Calzaghe may have moved up but really, it wouldn't have made a difference, they're pretty much the same size.

As for Winky...POOR WINKY, that was too much I'll admit lmao

Another thing B-Hop is 44

[street bully]

cheats???looks at margo in your sig and lmfao

Sorry to break it to you Larry, but his signature is actually making fun of Margarito for cheating.

[larry x]

Sorry to break it to you Larry, but his signature is actually making fun of Margarito for cheating.

yea i just saw that...now explain your sig....lol

[djtmal]

he's overated and get's a pass because he's old. truth is, he cherry picks opponents. the only time when he was the same size with a young opponent was JT, and we same him get beat twice.

the truth right there...hopkins is overrated...been fighting guys two and three divisions smaller his entire career...at 130 - 147 floyd's been fighting guys his size and bigger

[fabzmm]

the truth right there...hopkins is overrated...been fighting guys two and three divisions smaller his entire career...at 130 - 147 floyd's been fighting guys his size and bigger

yup. he turned himsel into a veggie because he didn't want to move up in weight. Notice in the RJJ/HOPkins interview he mentions and emphaizes "REASONABLE REASONABLE CATCH WEIGHT". He always wants the advantage. he knes RJJ was too big for him in the rematch and didn't want none. PERIOD.