yes floyd mayweather started at super featherweight!

[jreckoning]

Let's not forget Pac was also KNOCKED OUT TWICE back then. Is that the same person that walks around today who can show a 6 pack when weighing 152 pounds with 6% body-fat. The same fighter that had to move up from 135 divisions because he was showing up at 147 by fight-time and it was getting to hard to drain his body for the weigh-ins?
Same fighter Freddie Roach called a "boy" back then and a "Man" now.
Manny most likely matured slow due to poor nutrition and fighting at low weight classes...just like Female Gymnasts do when the go on extreme diets, train hard, and try to keep at a certain weight and slow puberty if not stop it until their late teens when they retire from burn-out.

Pac is a 147+ pound fighter come fight time...right around the size Floyd was fighting at when he was active.

The only difference is, Floyd didn't drain his of 10+ pounds.

Your opinoin of same day weigh in's pervades every post you write lately.
I can't make up my mind to be honest.

I've read studies on both sides of the fence, and I still feel stuck.

But it does play a huge part in your posts.

[$partacus]

LOLz.. i guess a golden gloves 16 yr KID middleweight amateur right now would knock out PROFESSIONAL MAN that is a middleweight. Your post was really ******.
Pacquiao was fighting Grown ass Men that had man power over him at 16 while floyd was fighting amateur with a headgear against 16-17-18 year olds.

And Pacquiao to say that Pacquiao was getting knocked out by bums is ******. Both were body punches and Pacquiao was weight drained making weight. But the thing is that was early in his career and he was able to bounce back and whoop everybody elses ass ahead of him that he got in the ring with.

And Pacquiao didn't get knocked out at 106. BOth were body punches and the second Loss was a Title Defense, so it wasn't against no bum.

Torrecampo KOed Pac, he was hit on the chin not the body.

[Benny Leonard]

LOLz.. i guess a golden gloves 16 yr KID middleweight amateur right now would knock out PROFESSIONAL MAN that is a middleweight. Your post was really ******.
Pacquiao was fighting Grown ass Men that had man power over him at 16 while floyd was fighting amateur with a headgear against 16-17-18 year olds.

And Pacquiao to say that Pacquiao was getting knocked out by bums is ******. Both were body punches and Pacquiao was weight drained making weight. But the thing is that was early in his career and he was able to bounce back and whoop everybody elses ass ahead of him that he got in the ring with.

And Pacquiao didn't get knocked out at 106. BOth were body punches and the second Loss was a Title Defense, so it wasn't against no bum.

Well I'm not sure who he fought but you do know there are basically "Pro-amateur" fighters out there that will continue to fight amateur for as long as they can. So at some point, he may have been fighting grown men.

Plus, what "Man" really weighs 106 pounds? Maybe a Jockey but they actually might be bigger than that.

I'm not even that tall but the last time I weighed 106 I think I was like 10.

But yes, I would probably be seen as a jockey today if Shaq saw me. I would be like a little boy next to him. But I do have hair on my balls and chest. Not sure any of those fighters do. They have boy bodies.

[Benny Leonard]

Your opinoin of same day weigh in's pervades every post you write lately.
I can't make up my mind to be honest.

I've read studies on both sides of the fence, and I still feel stuck.

But it does play a huge part in your posts.

I've been looking at more info as well.

The main thing is that when people talk about Floyd, they list WW like he is the same as Clottey, but they are not the same despite both being called WW. One shows up at 149 for the fight and the other, 170. The real WW is actually Floyd...or at least the closer of the two. Floyd would have to drop two pounds. Not sure what he is like now.

That Gatti-Gamache fight has been stuck in my head ever since I saw it live. I think people think it is about Floyd because that is when we discuss it now, but I was discussing it a while back when Gatti fought Gamache. A lot of people were saying it was wrong.

Another fight was with Clottey vs. Chico...which is also why I'm interested in the Cotto vs. Clottey fight even though Cotto is naturally bigger than Chico...but Cotto might end up being 10 pounds less than Clottey if Joshua comes in at 170 again.

If Cotto loses because of the weight difference, that will suck, although, I guess, in a way, that's the fight-game since back in the day, you had smaller fighters not caring so much about weight-classes...and you have a HW division that has no weight limits. Chris Byrd was fighting HUGE fighters. Even Tyson was fight bigger fighters but the HW division is looked at in another way because it is the "MAN" division. And maybe 10 pounds isn't so bad. If Floyd fights Cotto, he risks the same weight difference but I want to see that fight happen. I don't know. I just would rather see fighters fighting closer to the weight that is required in the division...which I explain in my thread.

Here is the thread I did and here is an article someone posted in it:

Thread:

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Posting in that thread:



5 steps that can taken now to improve boxer safety

Posted November 18th 2008 at 10:45pm
By Margaret Goodman, M.D.Buzz up!
When I became a ring physician in 1994, I was naïve about the boxing business. But as I became more involved in the sport on a local and national level, the outright refusal by many officials to implement desperately needed changes to protect fighters and improve safety became suffocating.

Why the delay? Is it just naivete on the part of others? Or is safety often too complicated a distraction? And when is naivete merely blind ignorance?

While safety in sports like NASCAR and professional football has evolved, boxing safety has not, at least not sufficiently. Commissions concentrate on deflecting blame rather than ensuring that federal law is followed. Accountability simply doesn’t exist.

Let’s simplify the matter and start not with what we wish, but what we can change now to advance boxer protection. Five changes that could improve fighter safety:

1. Go back to same-day weigh-ins

If an athlete is well-conditioned, the timing of the weigh-in shouldn’t matter. For generations, the weigh-in took place the day of the fight. Boxers would step on a scale, drink a cup of water and step in the ring. But some of them came into a bout so dry they were unable to give a good performance. They often failed to replace essential fluids and therefore couldn’t address problems on a cellular level that resulted from dehydrating to make weight.

In the mid-1980s, the weigh-in was pushed back to 24-hours before a bout to address the dehydration issue. Many were optimistic this would be a springboard to educate fighters and trainers about the dangers of dehydration.

Unfortunately, the day-before-the-fight weigh-in has become an agent of unfairness contradictory to fighter safety. Contracts are too often based on earning power and not body size, meaning boxers are competing in weight classes in which they don’t belong. With many weigh-ins taking place more than 24 hours before the bout, fighters are not just replenishing water but actually gaining weight.

Same-day weigh-ins would force fighters to compete in a weight class where they belong. Also, if they would show up at the weigh-in (no more than 12 hours before the bout) dehydrated, they simply wouldn’t be cleared to fight.

The cost to return to same-day weigh-ins would be negligible. Over a short period of time, it would encourage fighters to compete in a weight class in which they belong. Fights would be fairer, and there would be less wear and tear on the fighter’s body. And, ultimately, healthy, well-hydrated fighters make for more exciting fights.

Boxing needs to admit its mistake and revert to same-day weigh-ins.

2. Weed out ineffective officials

Few jobs in sports are more sought after than a boxing referee, judge and physician. In most jurisdictions, impeccable judgment and years of experience are required. Still, the ability of officials varies widely, which means some of them repeatedly make mistakes that affect the integrity of the sport and the well being of the fighters.

Unfortunately, many commissions believe they have to rotate fights among officials purely for the sake of rotation. And some officials receive assignments because they are favored by certain commissioners, executive directors, promoters or sanctioning organizations. While it is important to give officials a chance to improve, officials who have proven to be inadequate should no longer be assigned.

I am a firm believer that if an official is not the best, he or she should not be working. Too much is at stake. Anything other than the best performance should not be tolerated.

3. Institute uniform medical requirements and drug testing

This is such an obvious point I almost feel silly bringing it up. But then why does it not exist?

Regardless of a commission’s vigilance, it is impossible to determine whether a fighter is fit to box without adequate medical testing. To this day, many commissions rationalize they will lose fight cards if they expand their medical requirements. As a result, a good percentage of jurisdictions require little beyond a yearly physical. Too few mandate yearly hepatitis and HIV testing, and even fewer require routine screens for drugs of abuse and anabolic steroids. As a result, promoters often shop for venues based on the lack of medical requirements.

Brain scans (either MRI or CT) should be performed everywhere, yet they remain ordered by only a few commissions. Once again, cost is sited as an excuse, but California, Nevada, New Jersey, and Connecticut all host many low-profile cards and the fighters who travel there are required to undergo such testing.

Every jurisdiction should make certain a fighter is fit to box, and that can only be accomplished by maximum – and uniform -- medical and drug testing.

4. Require trainers to do their part to protect boxers

There is so much more to being a great trainer than holding the mitts or counseling a protege on how to fight a southpaw. Boxers rely on their trainer’s advice as much, if not more, than that of their parents. It is a grave responsibility that I believe most of the greats never take lightly. However, judgment can become clouded.

It is easy to dump safety solely on a commission even though officials usually have little contact with a boxer. It really is up to the trainer to make certain a fighter is healthy at fight time and not be afraid to step in and stop a fight when necessary. Otherwise, they become an enabler. After all, who knows a fighter better than the trainer?

Many trainers repeatedly ignore newer and more effective techniques in conditioning and strength training, instilling safe and appropriate techniques in weight loss and instructing their fighters on the use of legal supplements. These are the things necessary not only to win but to have a safe retirement.

States like New York have courses and tests that trainers are required to pass. This should exist everywhere, and commissions should work closely with trainers and gyms.

5. Create a federal boxing commission

When questions about the lack of uniformity in boxing safety regulations arise, many cite “states rights.” In other words, each commission regulates the sport as it sees fit. Some do it well, some don’t. The Boxing Safety Act requires an ambulance and physician at ringside but little else.

Boxing needs to give up the idea of states rights.

A federal commission would have subpoena power to go after those who take advantage of fighters. It would also make promoters more accountable and incorporate uniform testing and medical suspensions (time off between fights following an injury or improvement of a medical condition.)

We can complain about lousy fight cards. We can moan about poor match-ups. But if we want to see fights officiated safely and boxers receive the protection they deserve, those involved need to make the necessary changes. First, we need to change the perspective that the status quo is acceptable.

I have listed just a few suggestions, but these would thrust the sport in the right direction with the least amount of effort and promote additional improvements.


Dr. Margaret Goodman is a practcing neurologist in Las Vegas. She is a former Medical Advisory Board Chairman and Chief Ringside Physician for the Nevada State Athletic Commission

[Rich Loc]

but manny turned pro at 16. when floyd was 16, people forget he won the national golden gloves at 106 lbs

Manny Pacquiao was 16 when turned professional at 106lbs. Floyd Mayweather also fought in th 106lb Golden Glove division when he was 16 years old.

Bingo!

Floyd won the Golden Gloves at 106lbs, and I would guarantee you he would have whooped the **** out of Pacquiao who was pro at 106 getting his ass knocked out by bums.

Floyd OWNS Pac at any weight, PERIOD!

Can you believe I was the first person to figure that out

[JAB5239]

floyd will probably fight mosley / cotto after he fights jmm and pac.

i agree that true WWs will give floyd more problems but those fight can still be made in the future

This has been being said since the Baldomir fight and he's STILL cherry picking for money fights. Thats fine. But the stans ought to realise the truth and stop saying he's the best. The best take on the toughest challenges, they don't play duck, duck, goose!

[jreckoning]

[/b]

This has been being said since the Baldomir fight and he's STILL cherry picking for money fights. Thats fine. But the stans ought to realise the truth and stop saying he's the best. The best take on the toughest challenges, they don't play duck, duck, goose!

Dude. You did not get the memo that Baldomir was the lineal champ at 147 by going 1 and 1 against Spinks and beating Cosme Rivera and DLH 154 pound king by beating the unstoppable Mayorga, never mind he lost his last three fights before that (oops he beat Sturm)

[street bully]

Come one guys. Flawless says Mr boat buyer and Pac are the same size so that's all that matters right?

Homie what you got against the boat buyer?

[JAB5239]

Dude. You did not get the memo that Baldomir was the lineal champ at 147 by going 1 and 1 against Spinks and beating Cosme Rivera and DLH 154 pound king by beating the unstoppable Mayorga, never mind he lost his last three fights before that (oops he beat Sturm)

Sorry man. Some times I just don't pay attention.

[jreckoning]

Posted November 18th 2008 at 10:45pm
By Margaret Goodman, M.D.Buzz up!
When I became a ring physician in 1994, I was naïve about the boxing business. But as I became more involved in the sport on a local and national level, the outright refusal by many officials to implement desperately needed changes to protect fighters and improve safety became suffocating.

Why the delay? Is it just naivete on the part of others? Or is safety often too complicated a distraction? And when is naivete merely blind ignorance?

While safety in sports like NASCAR and professional football has evolved, boxing safety has not, at least not sufficiently. Commissions concentrate on deflecting blame rather than ensuring that federal law is followed. Accountability simply doesn’t exist.

Let’s simplify the matter and start not with what we wish, but what we can change now to advance boxer protection. Five changes that could improve fighter safety:

1. Go back to same-day weigh-ins

If an athlete is well-conditioned, the timing of the weigh-in shouldn’t matter. For generations, the weigh-in took place the day of the fight. Boxers would step on a scale, drink a cup of water and step in the ring. But some of them came into a bout so dry they were unable to give a good performance. They often failed to replace essential fluids and therefore couldn’t address problems on a cellular level that resulted from dehydrating to make weight.

In the mid-1980s, the weigh-in was pushed back to 24-hours before a bout to address the dehydration issue. Many were optimistic this would be a springboard to educate fighters and trainers about the dangers of dehydration.

Unfortunately, the day-before-the-fight weigh-in has become an agent of unfairness contradictory to fighter safety. Contracts are too often based on earning power and not body size, meaning boxers are competing in weight classes in which they don’t belong. With many weigh-ins taking place more than 24 hours before the bout, fighters are not just replenishing water but actually gaining weight.

Same-day weigh-ins would force fighters to compete in a weight class where they belong. Also, if they would show up at the weigh-in (no more than 12 hours before the bout) dehydrated, they simply wouldn’t be cleared to fight.

The cost to return to same-day weigh-ins would be negligible. Over a short period of time, it would encourage fighters to compete in a weight class in which they belong. Fights would be fairer, and there would be less wear and tear on the fighter’s body. And, ultimately, healthy, well-hydrated fighters make for more exciting fights.

Boxing needs to admit its mistake and revert to same-day weigh-ins.


Goodman's article is good and it presupposes their would be medical testing like their wasn't at Kim-Mancini and a host of other fights that end in death because fighters dehydrating to make same day weigh in.
That was a huge reason they moved fights from same day weigh ins.

Hopefully, responsible doctors would monitor fighters whatever the rule happens to be,

The studies I have read have basically indicated their doesn't seem to be worse consequences either way- both are equally bad.

The thing that bothers me though, you're judging Floyd and his opposition by rules that don't exist- this is the flaw here.

This is the part, I don't like and it seems to be an excuse to justify any opposition good or bad, the natural weigh thing.