If Mayweather is so small, why not fight JMM at 135-140?

[BattlingNelson]

Bat this nothing more then a hate thread.

Heres why Floyd aint fighting him at 135-140 pounds.

1. JMM called out Floyd...KNOWING Floyd is a bigger name..star..fighter... and also knowing his last fight was at 147 pounds.

2. When Williams called out Calzaghe do you expect Joe to come to 160......Did you expect Adamek to come to 175 pounds to fight Hopkins????/....You did'nt.

3. To answer your sig question: Then why would he call out Floyd?...Why?...If Im a 140 pounder and I call out Cotto...do you think Cotto is goig to come to 140...**** no....He called out Pac and Mayweather...if you dont want to fight a guy who was a WW in his last fight and a guy who hasnt weighed 140 pounds in 5 years then go fight somone else. But he chose to sit at the table with Team Floyd.

4. Meeting in the middle is fine....There is nothing wrong with a catch weight...143.5 is fine..right in the middle...Hopkins-Pavlik was a catch weight...Its a part of boxing..Floyd even came off the 147 pound thing and said 143.5 is the lowest hell go....Nothing wrong with that.

5. Who is JMM to call any shots at all???...seriously vs. Floyd....cmon...This is Floyds show..the event is his comeback fight..no one will be there to see JMM.....except for diehards who will leave with their hearts broken...This is a Floyd sowcase at any weight..JMM gets stopped...Diaz hit him clean at will..Imagine him in ther with Floyd?

6. Everyone needs to stop crying..Floyd is a small WW....Thats obvious..hes actualy the smallest WW in the world/......and thats not debatable...but he has built up his body muscle wise to 147....Maybe he didnt want to come right out the gate and get that low to 140 in his comeback fight...Hell fight again....and it will be the Hatton-Pacman winner.

Burner I don't regard this as a hate thread. At least that wasn't my intention. I think my question is legit.

Thanks for giving your take on the issue. It's just that some floyd-stans sees this as a true p4p fight which it IMO isn't.

I agree that when a fighter calls out another division fighter it must be because he's willing to move in weight. I felt the same when Dawson called out Kessler. In this particular instance Floyd doesn't have to fight a LW when he wants to fight at 147. He could pick a legit WW as a tune-up.

[Bhopreign]

but isn't that you are doing as well? At least my speculation is built upon actual facts
Floyd was in his physical prime while moving up? I dont think that's speculation at all. He was around 25 years old when he moved to 135, 27 when he moved to 140, and 28 when he moved to 147. Is that not his physically prime years?

JMM is ending his physical prime? again seeing as how most of his (all but 5 fights) have been fought at 126 (13 of his 16 years of fighting) or below. Marquez was near 34 years old when he made the permanent move to 130 and 35 when he made his move to lightweight. For a boxer wouldn't you say thats towards the end of his physical prime?



I dont know about all that. If memory serves me correctly he had been calling out DLH for some time so thats at least one person who thought he could.



see just as you say no matter what Floyd does people **** on him so too can people say that in some Floyd fan's eyes he can do no wrong.

if you see them as basically the same size, regardless of where they fought at then you are selling short the reason there are divisions on boxing.

the proper thing is for them to fight at a mutually accepted catch weight. There are twelve pounds that seperate the divisions they fight in. Considering, now this is speculation so dont go all crazy, that it is harder to move down from the weight you have been accustomed to then it is to move up then Floyd coming down to say 142 (5lbs) and having JMM move up to 142 (7lbs) seems fair don't you think?



of course and Floyd IMO is doing the right thing (negotiations wise) in saying if JMM wants to call him out then Mayweather should dictate the terms

but anyone who is saying this is a fair fight simply because of what they weigh AFTER they have worked to get to their contracted weight (big thing that is being overlooked in this debate) isn't giving any respect to the reasons why people fight at certain weights regardless of how much they weigh come fight time.

You make good points, but I think much fuss if made about this because its Floyd. Floyd has fought bigger guys than himself before and I never heard anyone feel sorry for Floyd as they seem to for Marquez. Thats my only thing, people need to be impartial and call it how it is across the board.

[Bhopreign]

Further proving the point that, yes, people could in fact foresee Floyd at welter.

Shane and Tsyzu were not welters when he first called them out and everybody and their mama called Oscar out regardless of weight.

[The Gambler1981]

When you have the big **** at the negotiating table you really should not give any concessions.

Just because Floyd does not want to make a concession like that to JMM, does not make it mean anything more then that.

[IMDAZED]

Shane and Tsyzu were not welters when he first called them out and everybody and their mama called Oscar out regardless of weight.

When did Floyd stop calling Shane out? When he moved to 147? False.

And Floyd was calling Oscar out in 2002. End of story.

[Eaner0919]

You make good points, but I think much fuss if made about this because its Floyd. Floyd has fought bigger guys than himself before and I never heard anyone feel sorry for Floyd as they seem to for Marquez. Thats my only thing, people need to be impartial and call it how it is across the board.

but my friend they are/were in two different scenarios

Floyd moved up during his physical prime so it made it easier, presumably, to move up and chase titles at different weight divisions. Physically he still probably hadn't matured fully into what weight class he could be optimal (which IMO is 140). IMO I think he is indeed fighting out of his best weight class but its by one weight class (140 vs 147).

remember the **** DLH took for making Floyd fight not only above his presumably best weight of 140 but yet another division above where he was fighting at the time, 147. People chided DLH for making an unfair advantage for himself at the expense of Floyd. However, Floyd, knowing this was the biggest fight he could make, knew the risk of fighting all the way up to 154 was worth it, took him on.

now its the same **** Mayweather is getting because he is asking JMM to fight not one but two divisions over his last weight (noticed I didn's say optimal weight). People are chiding Mayweather for making an unfair advantage for himself at the expense of JMM. However, in the end if JMM wants the biggest fights like he says he deserves than it may be a risk that he needs to take.

now you can parallel the similarities between what Floyd did and what he is asking JMM to do but there are some distinct differences that need to be addressed

JMM started his ascent at the age of 34, Floyd 25. Floyd was fighting a fighter who had largely been a part time fight, full time promoter, who hadn't fought a serious challenge in some time. JMM is fighting a guy arguably still in his physical prime and while he hasn't been active since dec 2007 was a fairly active fighter prior to that unlike DLH who had fought about once a year

in the end it is JMM who called out Floyd so unless Floyd is willing to drop down to about 142 then it's up to JMM to see if the money is worth the risk.

there are just some big discrepencies between their two weight moves is what I am trying to point out

[IMDAZED]

but my friend they are/were in two different scenarios

Floyd moved up during his physical prime so it made it easier, presumably, to move up and chase titles at different weight divisions. Physically he still probably hadn't matured fully into what weight class he could be optimal (which IMO is 140). IMO I think he is indeed fighting out of his best weight class but its by one weight class (140 vs 147).

remember the **** DLH took for making Floyd fight not only above his presumably best weight of 140 but yet another division above where he was fighting at the time, 147. People chided DLH for making an unfair advantage for himself at the expense of Floyd. However, Floyd, knowing this was the biggest fight he could make, knew the risk of fighting all the way up to 154 was worth it, took him on.

now its the same **** Mayweather is getting because he is asking JMM to fight not one but two divisions over his last weight (noticed I didn's say optimal weight). People are chiding Mayweather for making an unfair advantage for himself at the expense of JMM. However, in the end if JMM wants the biggest fights like he says he deserves than it may be a risk that he needs to take.

now you can parallel the similarities between what Floyd did and what he is asking JMM to do but there are some distinct differences that need to be addressed

JMM started his ascent at the age of 34, Floyd 25. Floyd was fighting a fighter who had largely been a part time fight, full time promoter, who hadn't fought a serious challenge in some time. JMM is fighting a guy arguably still in his physical prime and while he hasn't been active since dec 2007 was a fairly active fighter prior to that unlike DLH who had fought about once a year

in the end it is JMM who called out Floyd so unless Floyd is willing to drop down to about 142 then it's up to JMM to see if the money is worth the risk.

there are just some big discrepencies between their two weight moves is what I am trying to point out

You can make all the sense in the world but it ain't changing anything. Truthfully, any rational fan agrees with what you're saying. Even the irrational ones do but are hesitant to say anything which might be construed as an insult to Money May.

[Bhopreign]

but my friend they are/were in two different scenarios

Floyd moved up during his physical prime so it made it easier, presumably, to move up and chase titles at different weight divisions. Physically he still probably hadn't matured fully into what weight class he could be optimal (which IMO is 140). IMO I think he is indeed fighting out of his best weight class but its by one weight class (140 vs 147).

remember the **** DLH took for making Floyd fight not only above his presumably best weight of 140 but yet another division above where he was fighting at the time, 147. People chided DLH for making an unfair advantage for himself at the expense of Floyd. However, Floyd, knowing this was the biggest fight he could make, knew the risk of fighting all the way up to 154 was worth it, took him on.

now its the same **** Mayweather is getting because he is asking JMM to fight not one but two divisions over his last weight (noticed I didn's say optimal weight). People are chiding Mayweather for making an unfair advantage for himself at the expense of JMM. However, in the end if JMM wants the biggest fights like he says he deserves than it may be a risk that he needs to take.

now you can parallel the similarities between what Floyd did and what he is asking JMM to do but there are some distinct differences that need to be addressed

JMM started his ascent at the age of 34, Floyd 25. Floyd was fighting a fighter who had largely been a part time fight, full time promoter, who hadn't fought a serious challenge in some time. JMM is fighting a guy arguably still in his physical prime and while he hasn't been active since dec 2007 was a fairly active fighter prior to that unlike DLH who had fought about once a year

in the end it is JMM who called out Floyd so unless Floyd is willing to drop down to about 142 then it's up to JMM to see if the money is worth the risk.

there are just some big discrepencies between their two weight moves is what I am trying to point out

Answer me this without being partial. What is the bigger size disparity, Floyd/Oscar or Floyd/JMM.

[MaFu MoFo]

Bat this nothing more then a hate thread.

Heres why Floyd aint fighting him at 135-140 pounds.

1. JMM called out Floyd...KNOWING Floyd is a bigger name..star..fighter... and also knowing his last fight was at 147 pounds.

2. When Williams called out Calzaghe do you expect Joe to come to 160......Did you expect Adamek to come to 175 pounds to fight Hopkins????/....You did'nt.

3. To answer your sig question: Then why would he call out Floyd?...Why?...If Im a 140 pounder and I call out Cotto...do you think Cotto is goig to come to 140...**** no....He called out Pac and Mayweather...if you dont want to fight a guy who was a WW in his last fight and a guy who hasnt weighed 140 pounds in 5 years then go fight somone else. But he chose to sit at the table with Team Floyd.

4. Meeting in the middle is fine....There is nothing wrong with a catch weight...143.5 is fine..right in the middle...Hopkins-Pavlik was a catch weight...Its a part of boxing..Floyd even came off the 147 pound thing and said 143.5 is the lowest hell go....Nothing wrong with that.

5. Who is JMM to call any shots at all???...seriously vs. Floyd....cmon...This is Floyds show..the event is his comeback fight..no one will be there to see JMM.....except for diehards who will leave with their hearts broken...This is a Floyd sowcase at any weight..JMM gets stopped...Diaz hit him clean at will..Imagine him in ther with Floyd?

6. Everyone needs to stop crying..Floyd is a small WW....Thats obvious..hes actualy the smallest WW in the world/......and thats not debatable...but he has built up his body muscle wise to 147....Maybe he didnt want to come right out the gate and get that low to 140 in his comeback fight...Hell fight again....and it will be the Hatton-Pacman winner.

Of all the people here defending the idea of "PBF vs. JMM at 145 lbs.", you are the one with the most sense on it.


1. True, true. Then again, of all the boxers that constantly call out PBF, Mayweather seems to only pay attention to the smaller or lesser opponents. None of the fighters that are considered a tough, young, skilled fighter has been able to get a shot at PBF. Taking Judah out of the equation, since 2005, all PBF fights have been agaisnt lesser opponents. What's next? He'll fight Paul Malignaggi at 154lbs. because he said his mamma was fat?

2. Partially correct, the other fighters you mentioned had been involve in fights with better quality in the opponents in recent years. No need to question their integrity trying to get a fight a done deal.

3. Calling out PBF doesn't means; "I will bend over and get fiocked in the arse." JMM should have a fair chance to beat PBF, as PBF will still have a fair chance to beat JMM at 140lbs. Or do you think that PBF "the super star" can't make 140 and still beat JMM??? I do believe that PBF will beat JMM at 140 lbs. But I would not be surprised if JMM wins.

4. IMO, 142 is the HAPPY MEDIUM.

5. We all know PBF is the MAIN EVENT, THE BIG SHOW. Still, JMM is arguably the best P4P active at the moment. Every fighters got a right, no matter their color, nationality, religion, etc... Don't tell me it is "OK" for PBF to be a **** and truely act like he is a "god" and the rest of the Boxing world should act like he pleases, no questions ask. I know you don't believe that shi-t.

6. So fight a real WW then... even though it is more interesting for PBF to fight a guy like JMM instead of a Cintron, Quintana, Collazo; but they would be a real WW opponent as a "tune-up" fight. PBF should take care of any of them (JMM, Cintron, Quintana, Collazo).



NO MATTER WHAT, the idea of PBF fighting in the WelterWeight division agaisnt a fighter that fought most of his life at 126 lbs. is SIMPLY WRONG. It is not a respectable and legit win. AT 140lbs, it's a whole completely different story.

[Smash]

I always thought that floyds height was about 5' 8'' or slightly above this. If you look at hattons official site it tells us his height is 5' 7'' and floyd was a fair bit taller than him. Any1 have the correct height for the guy?

JMM is a great fighter and it takes a great fighter to even attempt what he is trying to do by fighting floyd at 147. On paper it is really next to impossible. I personally wouldnt hold it against floyd at all in taking this fight, he is after all coming back from a layoff. Anyway, im sure beating jmm at any 147 will not be a walk in the park for him although floyd is heavy favorite. I dont think jmm should be underestimated but going all the way to 147 when you think about it to fight a guy with floyds defence is a bit mad. Wasnt this kind of stuff said when pac and de la hoya was anounced?

Its what floyd does after this fight thats interesting. A mega fight with pac is great but id also like to see him take on some of his fellow "true" welters, yes i do count floyd as a welter. I think he came in a 152 fight night against de la hoya and thats not bad at all for a "true" welter.