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Originally posted by Dave Rado View PostValero stopped Mosquera in the 10th, and Toledo is better than Mosquera, IMO.
and GREAT power. All he really has to do is connect on Prestcott one good
time and that changes the whole fight. It's not like Valero is a ***** or
something.
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Originally posted by GRUSTLER View PostPeople underestimate Valero. He's fast, has a decent jab, good foot work
and GREAT power. All he really has to do is connect on Prestcott one good
time and that changes the whole fight. It's not like Valero is a ***** or
something.
Good to hear we're on the same boat on this one!
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Originally posted by Dave Rado View PostThe thing is, he won both titles against journeymen. The alphabet rankings are corrupt and a lot of journeymen are given title shots, but beating journeymen doesn't prove anything.
He hasn't yet proved himself against any of the top fighters in either division, and because he looks so raw and wild in his fights, the jury is very much out on whether he will be able to cut it when he does step up in class. Prescott will be by a long way his biggest test so far, IMO. And his own Ring ranking is based on his KO record rather than on the fighters he's actually beaten. I don't mind calling him a contender though. In my eyes you can be both a prospect and a contender, because prospect simply means unproven, and until he fights one of the top fighters in his division, I think he is unproven.
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Originally posted by GRUSTLER View PostPeople underestimate Valero. He's fast, has a decent jab, good foot work
and GREAT power. All he really has to do is connect on Prestcott one good
time and that changes the whole fight. It's not like Valero is a ***** or
something.
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Originally posted by Dave Rado View PostBoth have tremendous power, good jabs and footwork.
But at least he looks the better boxer overall, if a bit unpolished. Valero, on the other hand, is the sloppiest fighter I've seen for a long time. He's going to get caught shockingly.
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Originally posted by Silencers View PostBoth the guys he beat were ranked in the Ring top 10, that doesn't make them journeyman.
Mosquera isn't ranked any more either.
I was posting before the fight that that Pitalua was massively over-rated. His only decent win in recent years was against Santa Cruz; and Santa Cruz was also greatly over-rated, IMO - his only decent performance was against Casamayor in one of the worst, most lethargic performances of Casamayor's entire career. Had there been a rematch, most people would have expected Casamayor to win easily.
The rest of Pitalua's opponents make Valero's opponents look like Hall of Famers in comparison. One of Pitalua's recent opponents had a record of 0-0-0. Other recent opponents of his had records of 7-4-2 , 0-3-0, 0-4-0, 0-1-0, 12-10-0, and 27-10-2. How does that earn him a shot at a belt or a #7 rating? He seems to have got his ranking on the basis of a single win, against a fighter who was also got his ranking on the basis of a single "win" (that was officially a loss), against an under-trained, lethargic opponent.
The Ring's ratings are far better and more objective than the alphabet ones, but they're certainly not perfect, IMO.
Valero needs to fight a genuine elite Lightweight, someone who has proved themselves at the weight. J. Diaz, or Funeka, or someone like that, before most people will consider him to be proven. But Prescott is a good start and it should be a great fight.Last edited by Dave Rado; 04-16-2009, 09:30 AM.
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Wow, this is a really good fight that has been made. Two of the hardest hitters in the sport, going at for the WBC Lightweight Title.
Some great fights have happened in 2009, and more are following. Will really have a high anticaption for this, it's bound to be a explosive one.
And someones's ''0'' has got to GO!
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Originally posted by Dave Rado View PostPitalua has already dropped out of The Ring's top 10, which I regard as a tacit admission that they had overrated him leading up to the fight, and boxrec only rank him at #34.
Mosquera isn't ranked any more either.
I was posting before the fight that that Pitalua was massively over-rated. His only decent win in recent years was against Santa Cruz; and Santa Cruz was also greatly over-rated, IMO - his only decent performance was against Casamayor in one of the worst, most lethargic performances of Casamayor's entire career. Had there been a rematch, most people would have expected Casamayor to win easily.
The rest of Pitalua's opponents make Valero's opponents look like Hall of Famers in comparison. One of Pitalua's recent opponents had a record of 0-0-0. Other recent opponents of his had records of 7-4-2 , 0-3-0, 0-4-0, 0-1-0, 12-10-0, and 27-10-2. How does that earn him a shot at a belt or a #7 rating? He seems to have got his ranking on the basis of a single win, against a fighter who was also got his ranking on the basis of a single win, against an under-trained, lethargic opponent.
The Ring's ratings are far better and more objective than the alphabet ones, but they're certainly not perfect, IMO.
Valero needs to fight a genuine elite Lightweight, someone who has proved themselves at the weight. J. Diaz, or Funeka, or someone like that. But Prescott is a good start and it should be a great fight.
And it makes sense that Mosquera is ranked anymore considering he is retired.
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