What's the difference between a slick and skilled boxer?

[daniels_co]

yes, i agree with the explanation. The main thing , is good to be both..















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[-MAKAVELLI-]

skilled - having a full and solid arsenal


slick - its a style of fighting

[KJB]

I keep hearing about boxers who are slick such as Chad Dawson, Eddie Chambers, Joan Guzman, but they also very skilled.

What's the difference between those three boxers to someone like Wladimir Klitschko and Bernard Hopkins who are skilled, but not slick.

Bernard is very slick.
Slick has to do with deceit, and subtle movements, often defensively.
Wlad is a great example of a really skillful Boxer who isnt very slick.

[drinkxerox]

Bhop is the definition of slick

[PrettyBoyRoy 88]

I keep hearing about boxers who are slick such as Chad Dawson, Eddie Chambers, Joan Guzman, but they also very skilled.

What's the difference between those three boxers to someone like Wladimir Klitschko and Bernard Hopkins who are skilled, but not slick.

Skilled boxers last longer than slick boxers. You look at RJJ, Toney, Guzman, Gamboa, Naseem Hamed, Sergio Mora Those boxers are slick and they depend on their reflexes to win fights and not get hit, so when they get older and not have those reflexes anymore they're easily shot. Whereas boxers like Bernard Hopkins, The Klitstchko's, Chad Dawson(He's skilled not slick IMO), Floyd Mayweather Jr, Winky Wright, Miguel Cotto, can still box like they're 25 when theyre really 35 and actually go on to fight in their late 30s and still not look shot because they rely on their basic boxing fundemantals and ring generalship instead of reflexes. IMO skilled boxers are better than slick boxers. One thing for sure is, if you catch a slick boxer in his prime, you'll most likely lose. If you catch him when he's old, you will probably KO him.

[drinkxerox]

some people need to look up the definition of slick cause some of u couldnt be anymore wrong. slick is not confined to reflexes and speed - its trickery and slyness - like a BHop reading Trinidad's footwork and movement to dismantle him - or Mayweathers timed check left hook to Hatton. Basically being able to sneak in that punch the other guy doesnt see coming, and shoulder rolling and slipping out out of trouble. slick and skill are not mutually exclusive

[Fox McCloud]

Slick makes me think of a boxer who's primary goal is limit contact and win a low contact bout.

The way Mayweather fought against Hatton was slick... he used a ton of movement early until Hatton started to wear down, and then he started opening up to really create his own offense in a big way. Regardless of what he was doing, he was making sure contact was limited.

Timothy Bradley is another one. He is a jab dependent fighter who throws the right hand as his main power punch, because it harder to counter than the left hook. He moves a fair bit, and generally tries to avoid contact. Bradley is slick.

Erik Morales fights the same way as Bradley, but the last thing he tries to do is avoid contact. He is jab dependent and throws the right hand as his primary power punch. No one would ever accuse Morales of being slick.

All three of these guys are skilled. Boxing skill as a term translates into fundamentally sound... jab dependent, straight punches, can grind out decisions if needed, etc.

Slick and skilled are not mutually exclusive... it is common that a slick fighter is skilled, but a skilled fighter does not have to be skilled.

I hope that jives with what most people think on the subject.

EDIT: Skilled, in my mind, has actually transformed, starting with the Vazquez-Marquez trilogy. Neither of those guys really fought in a jab dependent way or anything like that. Basically skill in boxing is operating in a way that is hard to beat and has the ability to beat a lot of boxers with. For instance, Gatti and Ward were not overly skilled, because their mindless brawling would be solved by many more skilled fighters, but you aren't going to get in the ring and easily outslick Vazquez or Marquez. You are going to have to find a way to match their skill level in order to get the better of them.

Operating by the boxing textbook, regardless of what way you fight is considered skilled I think.

[BennyST]

Joe Louis, Alexis Arguello, Ricardo Lopez, Thomas Hearns, Buddy McGirt, Mike McCallum, Lennox Lewis....all skilled fighters, not necessarily slick.

Locche, Whitaker, Benitez, Spinks, Calderon, Mayweather, Toney, Everett, Camacho....slick and skilled fighters.

Yeah. It's also based on the type of fighter you are. A guy like Hearns or Marquez are very skilled. Their game is still based their offense for the large part though. Marquez was more slick years ago than he is now because he has increased his offensive output.

A guy that bases his game off defense alone to win ie. Locche, Calderon, Mayweather at times, is more slick. They have the ability to slide to an angle just out of reach and shoot a counter shot and then be gone before the other guy come back. It's about the type of fight you fight.

Whitaker, Pep and Locche were the classic slick fighters. They would slip under you and go through your damn legs without you even knowing. Guzman is also hideously slick.

A guy like Curry was highly skilled. As skilled as the above, but he was not really slippery and slick per se. It was more about being in perfect position, having a tight defense and timing and shooting off counters from that.

You really could say one is more natural talent on top of the fundamentals and the other is more learning of fundamentals. That doesn't tell the whole story though. Most often though, the real slippery, slick guys were the ones with the most natural talent and put that on top of their basics.

[The Great Shark]

Bernard Hopkins is NOT slick. He's probably one of the most technical fighters today. He uses his brain to execute his game plan (pun).

[poontango]

I keep hearing about boxers who are slick such as Chad Dawson, Eddie Chambers, Joan Guzman, but they also very skilled.

What's the difference between those three boxers to someone like Wladimir Klitschko and Bernard Hopkins who are skilled, but not slick.

Slick is merely a euphemism for someone who places a lot of emphasis on their defensive game through footwork, body and head movement and blocking punches all while countering. I'd say BHop is pretty slick and crafty, which is kinda like slick but more cerebral.

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