The Most Complete Fighter

[Burning Desire]

I'll do one in each weightclass.

Heavyweight: Larry Holmes
Cruiserweight: Evander Holyfield
Light Heavyweight: Ezzard Charles
Super Middleweight: James Toney/Roy Jones Jr
Middleweight: Marvin Hagler
Jr Middleweight: Mike McCallum
Welterweight: Sugar Ray Leonard
Jr Welterweight: Nicolino Locche
Lightweight: Pernell Whitaker
Super Featherweight: Floyd Mayweather Jr
Featherweight: Salvador Sanchez
Super Bantamweight: Wilfredo Gomez
Bantamweight: Manuel Ortiz
Super Flyweight: Khaosai Galaxy
Flyweight: Miguel Canto
Jr Flyweight: Ivan Calderon
Minimumweight: Ricardo Lopez

[Allucard]

Dunno about Floyd because if you take away his speed, he doesn't look so gifted. His counter-punching would be affected and since his game is so defensively oriented, it would be difficult to win fights against elite competition if your speed isn't enough.

I beg to differ. Floyd can still tie you up, pot shot you, even turn you around. He can fight going back and going forward, he had devastating power in both hands (at 130-135, dont get mad already :P) and his defense and shoulder roll is amongst the best of all time. True story.

[AKATheMack]

Exactly!

Jones only incorporated the style he has, because of the speed he possesses, if Jones was a slower fighter to begin with its very concievable he wouldn't have adopted the style he did.

If any other fighter tried fighting like Roy Jones(save Ali,Leonard,etc.) they would be unheard of nobodies. What sets the ATGs apart from everyone else is usually speed. God just doesnt make many men with those kind of reflexes, if even other greats such as a Hopkins or a Halger tried fighting like Roy their record would be about 18-22.

[AKATheMack]

I beg to differ. Floyd can still tie you up, pot shot you, even turn you around. He can fight going back and going forward, he had devastating power in both hands (at 130-135, dont get mad already :P) and his defense and shoulder roll is amongst the best of all time. True story.

He has very good power at 130-135, devastating is going a tad far.

[Allucard]

I'll do one in each weightclass.

Heavyweight: Larry Holmes
Cruiserweight: Evander Holyfield
Light Heavyweight: Ezzard Charles
Super Middleweight: James Toney/Roy Jones Jr
Middleweight: Marvin Hagler
Jr Middleweight: Mike McCallum
Welterweight: Sugar Ray Leonard
Jr Welterweight: Nicolino Locche
Lightweight: Pernell Whitaker
Super Featherweight: Floyd Mayweather Jr
Featherweight: Salvador Sanchez
Super Bantamweight: Wilfredo Gomez
Bantamweight: Manuel Ortiz
Super Flyweight: Khaosai Galaxy
Flyweight: Miguel Canto
Jr Flyweight: Ivan Calderon
Minimumweight: Ricardo Lopez

Pretty good list but i dunno about RJJ. That's the thing when fighters fight for too long, weaknesses that were always there become apparent and we can't ignore that the Roy Jones with no legs wasn't even 50% of the fighter he was when he had them. Also I'd add Ali in the HW category for more than obvious reasons. The man beat two prime fighters when he was already out of his prime, Foreman and Frazier, both of whom also apply for that list!

[-Antonio-]

Dunno about Floyd because if you take away his speed, he doesn't look so gifted. His counter-punching would be affected and since his game is so defensively oriented, it would be difficult to win fights against elite competition if your speed isn't enough.

yeah but what happens if you take Hagler's chin away? Everyone has a certain attribute that helps them.

[AKATheMack]

Pretty good list but i dunno about RJJ. That's the thing when fighters fight for too long, weaknesses that were always there become apparent and we can't ignore that the Roy Jones with no legs wasn't even 50% of the fighter he was when he had them. Also I'd add Ali in the HW category for more than obvious reasons. The man beat two prime fighters when he was already out of his prime, Foreman and Frazier, both of whom also apply for that list!

If you took away Alis ATG chin, ATG speed, ATG reflexes, and his ATG ring smarts he'd be nothing. Yea, Id have to vote Ali as one of the most all-around great HWs ever. I think his chin might be better that his speed, two of the hardest left-hooks Ive ever seen land were on Ali(Cooper and Frazier and he was up at about 4 both times.

[-Antonio-]

He has very good power at 130-135, devastating is going a tad far.

More than a tad lol. That's ridiculous.

[-Antonio-]

I'll do one in each weightclass.

Heavyweight: Larry Holmes
Cruiserweight: Evander Holyfield
Light Heavyweight: Ezzard Charles
Super Middleweight: James Toney/Roy Jones Jr
Middleweight: Marvin Hagler
Jr Middleweight: Mike McCallum
Welterweight: Sugar Ray Leonard
Jr Welterweight: Nicolino Locche
Lightweight: Pernell Whitaker
Super Featherweight: Floyd Mayweather Jr
Featherweight: Salvador Sanchez
Super Bantamweight: Wilfredo Gomez
Bantamweight: Manuel Ortiz
Super Flyweight: Khaosai Galaxy
Flyweight: Miguel Canto
Jr Flyweight: Ivan Calderon
Minimumweight: Ricardo Lopez

McCallum is an excellent choice.

[andrewcuff]

If you take away Hagler's chin he's still extremely skilled. He relied on his ability to take punches a lot more later in his career, most notably against Mugabi, but have a look at him in action in the late 70s. Very balanced.

I don't think you can use RJJ as an example of an all-round fighter. He relied on his speed/reflexes far too much.

Mayweather is definately an extremely skilled fighter, but he would definately be less effective with reduced speed. He's one of the best all-around fighters in recent years, but I don't know if a case can be made AT.