How Come Everyone Accepted Mosley but Not Berto?

[DLT]

Im speaking about the holding. After the Berto-Collazo fight I said that I scored it 114-113 for Collazo. I had it 6 rounds apiece but gave the fight to Collazo by 1pt for the holding penalty. I said that legaly I wouldve gave the win to Collazo in the ring but in my own mind I wouldve scored it as a draw because I think the holding penalty was a downright horrible call. I said that it was foolish for the ref to give Berto like 2 warnings in the very 1st round which came after he got buzzed. Thats what guys do. They hold in that situation. After that I said I didnt think Berto held that much besides the normal holding that alot of fighters do. Then to think that the ref takes a point away so early in the fight? In the 4th round of a huge title fight? What kind of idiot does that? This is coming from a guy in myself who hates holding and thinks it definatly should be penalized but Berto wasnt no Ruiz at all. Not even close. He wasnt anything near Hatton. I thought it was just horrible.

The thing is that basically no one agreed with me. Everyone felt like the penalty was a good call or understandable. Then I watch Mosley-Margarito, Mosley uses some holding as part of his game plan, and no one said one thing about he shouldve been penalized. Dont get me wrong, I dont think he shouldve either. Again, I thought that was a normal amount of holding that you see in every fight but it was no different then what Berto was basically doing and everyone felt that shouldve been a penalty. Also, when Margarito got hurt at the end or even Cotto when he got hurt against Margarito, everyone on here said that they shouldve held because thats what boxers do. A ton of people are even saying that Cotto shouldve used the Mosley strategy and grabbed on after his combos but those same people are the one's who said that Berto shouldve been penalized. I dont get that at all

[MetalVomit]

Until the Collazo fight, I didn't really feel impressed by Berto, to be honest. However, even though the wrong man maybe got the decision, Berto impressed me thoroughly. I'm sold.

[fightingfigs]

Im speaking about the holding. After the Berto-Collazo fight I said that I scored it 114-113 for Collazo. I had it 6 rounds apiece but gave the fight to Collazo by 1pt for the holding penalty. I said that legaly I wouldve gave the win to Collazo in the ring but in my own mind I wouldve scored it as a draw because I think the holding penalty was a downright horrible call. I said that it was foolish for the ref to give Berto like 2 warnings in the very 1st round which came after he got buzzed. Thats what guys do. They hold in that situation. After that I said I didnt think Berto held that much besides the normal holding that alot of fighters do. Then to think that the ref takes a point away so early in the fight? In the 4th round of a huge title fight? What kind of idiot does that? This is coming from a guy in myself who hates holding and thinks it definatly should be penalized but Berto wasnt no Ruiz at all. Not even close. He wasnt anything near Hatton. I thought it was just horrible.

The thing is that basically no one agreed with me. Everyone felt like the penalty was a good call or understandable. Then I watch Mosley-Margarito, Mosley uses some holding as part of his game plan, and no one said one thing about he shouldve been penalized. Dont get me wrong, I dont think he shouldve either. Again, I thought that was a normal amount of holding that you see in every fight but it was no different then what Berto was basically doing and everyone felt that shouldve been a penalty. Also, when Margarito got hurt at the end or even Cotto when he got hurt against Margarito, everyone on here said that they shouldve held because thats what boxers do. A ton of people are even saying that Cotto shouldve used the Mosley strategy and grabbed on after his combos but those same people are the one's who said that Berto shouldve been penalized. I dont get that at all

Berto held and would lock collazos hands up and slow the fight down, Mosley would just stay inside and tie up 1 arm then let the action continue.

[sylvestersweet]

Im speaking about the holding. After the Berto-Collazo fight I said that I scored it 114-113 for Collazo. I had it 6 rounds apiece but gave the fight to Collazo by 1pt for the holding penalty. I said that legaly I wouldve gave the win to Collazo in the ring but in my own mind I wouldve scored it as a draw because I think the holding penalty was a downright horrible call. I said that it was foolish for the ref to give Berto like 2 warnings in the very 1st round which came after he got buzzed. Thats what guys do. They hold in that situation. After that I said I didnt think Berto held that much besides the normal holding that alot of fighters do. Then to think that the ref takes a point away so early in the fight? In the 4th round of a huge title fight? What kind of idiot does that? This is coming from a guy in myself who hates holding and thinks it definatly should be penalized but Berto wasnt no Ruiz at all. Not even close. He wasnt anything near Hatton. I thought it was just horrible.

The thing is that basically no one agreed with me. Everyone felt like the penalty was a good call or understandable. Then I watch Mosley-Margarito, Mosley uses some holding as part of his game plan, and no one said one thing about he shouldve been penalized. Dont get me wrong, I dont think he shouldve either. Again, I thought that was a normal amount of holding that you see in every fight but it was no different then what Berto was basically doing and everyone felt that shouldve been a penalty. Also, when Margarito got hurt at the end or even Cotto when he got hurt against Margarito, everyone on here said that they shouldve held because thats what boxers do. A ton of people are even saying that Cotto shouldve used the Mosley strategy and grabbed on after his combos but those same people are the one's who said that Berto shouldve been penalized. I dont get that at all

Mosley held a good amount but Berto was clinching everytime their hands were free.

[larryx]

berto was holding on..mosley was tying margo up..theres a differance

[krispy kreme]

For one Mosley had a different referee in the ring. And he was landing some wicked shots, Margarito didn't keep it competitive like Collazo.

[fightingfigs]

Im speaking about the holding. After the Berto-Collazo fight I said that I scored it 114-113 for Collazo. I had it 6 rounds apiece but gave the fight to Collazo by 1pt for the holding penalty. I said that legaly I wouldve gave the win to Collazo in the ring but in my own mind I wouldve scored it as a draw because I think the holding penalty was a downright horrible call. I said that it was foolish for the ref to give Berto like 2 warnings in the very 1st round which came after he got buzzed. Thats what guys do. They hold in that situation. After that I said I didnt think Berto held that much besides the normal holding that alot of fighters do. Then to think that the ref takes a point away so early in the fight? In the 4th round of a huge title fight? What kind of idiot does that? This is coming from a guy in myself who hates holding and thinks it definatly should be penalized but Berto wasnt no Ruiz at all. Not even close. He wasnt anything near Hatton. I thought it was just horrible.

The thing is that basically no one agreed with me. Everyone felt like the penalty was a good call or understandable. Then I watch Mosley-Margarito, Mosley uses some holding as part of his game plan, and no one said one thing about he shouldve been penalized. Dont get me wrong, I dont think he shouldve either. Again, I thought that was a normal amount of holding that you see in every fight but it was no different then what Berto was basically doing and everyone felt that shouldve been a penalty. Also, when Margarito got hurt at the end or even Cotto when he got hurt against Margarito, everyone on here said that they shouldve held because thats what boxers do. A ton of people are even saying that Cotto shouldve used the Mosley strategy and grabbed on after his combos but those same people are the one's who said that Berto shouldve been penalized. I dont get that at all

I would also have to say that when Collazo was tied up he would show urgency to be broken apart, while margarito on the other hand would tie up with mosley and not show any initiative to break free as if he didnt mind fighting on the inside and clinch with Mosley. COllazos face would tell the ref he wants out quick and fast to start the action. Margarito fell into shanes holding technique and would have his head inside mosleys chest just like mosley was doing to him

[Pullcounter]

berto was holding on..mosley was tying margo up..theres a differance

the difference between mosley and berto is that mosley was throwing a lot of punches that eventually ended in a KO. there was plenty of action in what mosley was doing, but berto was not being very active other than holding.

[NiGe2011]

Neither of them should have been penalized. It's part of the game as long as it is not malicious.

Give me six months and we won't be talking about the silly Callazo/Berto fight anymore. Hell, give me six weeks and we won't remember the damn thing.