2 way Mosley vs margarito can play out my views

[americanme]

I said this earlier and I will say it again a jab doesnt have to be the best to be pesky and annoying. It can also just be something to hide your right hand behind too just ask Lennox Lewis about hiding and not letting the other boxers see the right hand coming. Shane had a good enough jab to blow up Vargas' eye. I think he can use his jab if he wants. I know Paul Williams used hi jab and his jab isnt too stiff he kinda back hands it sometimes.....Lefty

Dude, it was over hand rights that blew up Vargas eye.. not a jab.. it was right hands and his left eye.

And it was a freakish swell that started it..Shane just kept working on it (smart of him ) w/ RIGHT hands..

[freedom213]

This is the problem I have when hearing people make the case for Cotto. Not only was his strategy exact and what he should have done but he couldn't have fought a better fight.

As a mtter of fact, watch the fight again and see how Max Kellerman and Emmanuel Stewart are calling the fight perfectly. They are saying how Cotto is doing great and his corners strategy is great but how Marg's agression is too much for Cotto to handle.

His strategy wasn't the problem it was Cotto's lack of physical strength that lost him the fight. Unless Cotto grows 4 inches and gets magically stronger, I don't see that fight going any different no matter what Cotto does.

If Cotto was a boxer, in a more classical sense, it may have worked but he's not and he made mistakes fighting in that manner that he should not have, voluntarily laying against the ropes, and exerting far too much energy. His strategy should have been to mix a little well timed boxing with a lot more body work and center of the ring fighting. That doesnt apply to Mosley just a response to you cuauhtemoc1496, but I see Mosley hitting Margarito at will I just wonder what happens when he himself gets hit back over and over.

[DanielTurcotte3]

Well heres my poinion if at all it matters. Mosley in the first Vargas fight, closed that eye using a solid jab on that eye as much as he possibly could. That being said b/c Msley isn't a very good jabber. His overhand right was wonderful all night. He came back and was able to knock Vargas's block off with as crisp a left hook as u will ever see.

Everyone is spot on here I fell with the ideas of how this can play out. One thing we could see at the same time is that Natge Campbell aspect. Where the 36 year old fighter comes in and fights his absolute ass off against the bullish wear down fighter his younger. Now a few things here as well, I fell that Diaz was tailormade for Campbell, he's soft and he doesn't possess that much power. Now Margarito on the other hand does, but not onoe punch KO power. It not only taes him a while to get going, but it takes his punches awhile to get to there strongest capabilities. (And I dont wanna hear about well what about the KO of Golden Johnson either fellas). I figure this. By the end of round 5, Mosely should have at the minimum of a 3-2 lead. I fell it will be more like 4-1 maybe even 5-0. Now heres the key. Once Antonio gets going, Mosley will have to endure some punishment. The ey is going to be limiting that punishment. Not fight off the ropes, always and I mean ALWAYS circling to his left. He wont be able to stop and catch a breath, the only time he can stop is to flurry, if he flurries he better be first, catch MArg coming in, 3-4 punches and circle to his left. His hand speed is 2x faster then Cotto even at this age, and u see how successful Cotto was with landing puncehs in bunches. Like I said I expect Mosley to take say 4 outta the first 5. I figure Marg comes on and wins the next 2 or so. Now this is where Mosely EXP and RING GENERALSHIP comes in, where Cotto absolutely bombed. I think Mosley wins 2-3 outta the last 4 rounds. He knows what he can anc cannot do, he nows his limitations, something Miguel Cotto never knew bc he never lost! Mosley has lost and now more importantly how to win. I am goiong out on a whim here and saying Mosley by UD. Either 7-5 or maybe even 8-4. This all depends on when Margarito starts to fight of course. The early the better for him, it will be a lot harder to dig himself ouotta a hole again Shane the Miguel.

Also, Ive see Mosley buzzed once, and it wasn't buzzed he was absolutely out on his feet. Forrest Mosley 1 I believe in round 3, correct me if Im wrong. I couldnt believe Shane ever got up nm out of the round.Great KD for those who havent seen it. This means the idea of Shane being stopped to me is absurd unless I see it, then Ill believe it. He's been fighting tough fights and big men his entire career and hasn't been KOed yet!!!

[LEFTYGUNZZ]

One way is much like the Cotto match where Mosley is boxing and moving around the perimeter. Well this is the way most people see it except me I don't see Mosley as much of a boxer style. i see Mosley trying to move but not fighting as much off the riopes like Cotto. Moving and circling to his left away from margarito's left hook. Margarito is slow much like Baldomir and throws wide looping punches from all different angles. Miosley has to fight much like he did against Cotto in the second half of their fight backing Margarito up. many don't belive that Margarito can be hurt or backed up. Mosley has fought at 154 and in his two fights against Vargas who fought at 160 he was able to impose his jab and back Vargas up.

So two ways I see this fight one is much the same way the fight with Cotto and Margarito went Mosley trying to box and backing up fighting off the ropes trying to avoid standing still and exchanging with margarito....Mosley would lose this fight much the same way Cotto did if not on point s he would be TKO;s the moving and use if his energy trying to avoid Margarito would combine with the punishment delt by margarito would be Mosley's demise

The other is Mosey using his jab circling Margarito staying in the center of the ring and trying to back up margarito. Mosley has been in there with bigger men then Cotto and beat opponents at 154. If he can circle and eventually back Margarito up with body punishment combined with some use of his jab early on like he did in the Vargas fight I think Mosley can win.....Lefty

He jabbed Vargas pretty good closed that eye up on him. he may not have a great jab but he has one and he can use it against Tony I saw Cotto snapping back Tony's head with the quick one two. I think Mosley will be able to hit him with that and over hand rights. He will be able to tie Margarito upa nd use the center of the ring. If he can do that he can win. If he stay around the perimeter then he will be stuck on the ropes and be in trouble. Fact is he can win this fight and anyone who says he cannot win is wrong...Lefty

the best tway to stop a puncher is too back him up and move side to side or circle him. If you get a power punching maniac like Margarito backing up most of the time he doesnt know how to fight going back wards. Lean on him try to push him to the ropes. It can be done anything can be done. The much smaller Tyson backed up 99% of his oppnents the few that were able to back him up beat him. us ehte jab back him up dont allow him to set his feet and tie him up when need be and you can beat Margarito...Lefty

P.S I stopped typing Lefty after all my posts and people asked me why I stopped it was like my trade mark or something. Sorry if it bothers you

I was just messing with you with the "Lefty" thing.

Yes I understand your logic but that logic applies if you are strong enough to carry that game plan out. I think Cotto is stronger and hits harder than Mosley and couldn't fend off Marg, why would you think Mosley can do this?

As far as the Tyson compairison, Tyson even though was 5'10-11" was much stronger than most of his opponents. He also had a devastating punch that would cause any man to go backwards when he came forward with those winging punches, Mosley can't hurt Marg with onr punch like that.

I think Mosley loses by KO to be honest but if he does fight the perfect fight, he should move, hold when inside and NOT trade with Margarito. Keep Marg chasing him all night and pick him off with shots from the outside even if he's the smaller man. Because Marg doesn't use his size to his advantage very well yet is a very good in fighter for being so tall and lanky.

I brought this back because I said a few things that Mosley did to and needed to do before the fight. People told me no Mosley can't back Tony up he isn't strong enough. Cotto hits harder then Shane Mosley. Sugar Shane doesnt have enought left in the tank. After he fought Mayorga he is finished. Well I know this has been the topic of choice for the past two days but I haven't been on so here is my two sense. All you Margarito fans stop crying about the holding. Tony got caught with illegal wraps you fans shouldnt be crying about anything....Lefty

[LEFTYGUNZZ]

Well heres my poinion if at all it matters. Mosley in the first Vargas fight, closed that eye using a solid jab on that eye as much as he possibly could. That being said b/c Msley isn't a very good jabber. His overhand right was wonderful all night. He came back and was able to knock Vargas's block off with as crisp a left hook as u will ever see.

Everyone is spot on here I fell with the ideas of how this can play out. One thing we could see at the same time is that Natge Campbell aspect. Where the 36 year old fighter comes in and fights his absolute ass off against the bullish wear down fighter his younger. Now a few things here as well, I fell that Diaz was tailormade for Campbell, he's soft and he doesn't possess that much power. Now Margarito on the other hand does, but not onoe punch KO power. It not only taes him a while to get going, but it takes his punches awhile to get to there strongest capabilities. (And I dont wanna hear about well what about the KO of Golden Johnson either fellas). I figure this. By the end of round 5, Mosely should have at the minimum of a 3-2 lead. I fell it will be more like 4-1 maybe even 5-0. Now heres the key. Once Antonio gets going, Mosley will have to endure some punishment. The ey is going to be limiting that punishment. Not fight off the ropes, always and I mean ALWAYS circling to his left. He wont be able to stop and catch a breath, the only time he can stop is to flurry, if he flurries he better be first, catch MArg coming in, 3-4 punches and circle to his left. His hand speed is 2x faster then Cotto even at this age, and u see how successful Cotto was with landing puncehs in bunches. Like I said I expect Mosley to take say 4 outta the first 5. I figure Marg comes on and wins the next 2 or so. Now this is where Mosely EXP and RING GENERALSHIP comes in, where Cotto absolutely bombed. I think Mosley wins 2-3 outta the last 4 rounds. He knows what he can anc cannot do, he nows his limitations, something Miguel Cotto never knew bc he never lost! Mosley has lost and now more importantly how to win. I am goiong out on a whim here and saying Mosley by UD. Either 7-5 or maybe even 8-4. This all depends on when Margarito starts to fight of course. The early the better for him, it will be a lot harder to dig himself ouotta a hole again Shane the Miguel.

Also, Ive see Mosley buzzed once, and it wasn't buzzed he was absolutely out on his feet. Forrest Mosley 1 I believe in round 3, correct me if Im wrong. I couldnt believe Shane ever got up nm out of the round.Great KD for those who havent seen it. This means the idea of Shane being stopped to me is absurd unless I see it, then Ill believe it. He's been fighting tough fights and big men his entire career and hasn't been KOed yet!!!

Good post my man......Lefty