Dana White Throws Verbal Jabs at Oscar De La Hoya

[BIGPOPPAPUMP]

How so ?

I understand these guys aren't making nearly as much as boxer's make, but MMA is a growing sport, and the UFC also pays for all of the marketing and promotion for every fight. Money that a boxer would pay his promoter to do.

Boxers don't pay the promoters for that. Fighters have guaranteed purses in most cases.

[AntonTheMeh]

plus, he is the president/dictator of UFC. It works totally different then boxing. If boxing had one single organization or at least only one popular/relevant body, it would work similar. There could be a single guy at the top that calls the shots. Boxing is totally different with multiple organizations, international fighters, etc etc etc. There are pluses and minuses of both systems.

I would love some of the organizations to go bye bye in boxing, or merge, but I would never want boxing exaclty like the UFC, and have a 2-1 fighter matched up against a champion, etc. One of the good things about boxing is that a fighter can have time to become great...often in the UFC fighters are prematurely put in the ring with guys on a different level. Of course sometimes that's a good thing but I'm just saying there are both completely different and it should remain that way.

true.....IMO the only org that matters is the ring.if they had the money
(ahem gbp)they could set up a tourney for the vacants and pretty much tell the champ to fight the number 1 in a year or get stripped and have the 1 and 2 to fight for it.

[Doc Holliday]

Dana is right. I'll just watched UFC 92 the other night, and their presentation is much better than any PPV boxing card we've had lately.

They had a lot of high profile fights in no particular order throughout the card.. so you had to stick around and practically watch the whole thing so you would'nt miss the "good" fights.

Boxing sticks to the same formula, big mismatches on the undercard and then the main event. The reason for this is that promoters try to protect their talented fighters. They want their fighter to make it to the top with "0" losses on their record. But this means nothing if you fight nothing but tomato cans. Just look at JCC Jr.

The most accurate thing Dana said is that boxing is not investing in the future. Hopefully this will soon change, and Dana's criticism will wake boxing promoters up.

The only thing I would say to Dana is that it's easy to invest in his company when his top fighters are paid peanuts compared to what top boxers make. What does a top fighter make in the UFC? A couple hundred thousand per fight? Dana can invest right back in his company cause he ****s his fighters. This is the reason guys like Tito Ortiz and Randy Couture have left the UFC in disgust.

We'll see if Dana's fighters will continue accept so little to risk their lives in the octagon. Time will tell.

[AntonTheMeh]

How so ?


Randy Couture's purse was a guaranteed $250,000 + another $250,000 should he win.

Obviously he didn't, but due to the great success of the fight on PPV, Randy is going to end up making around 2.6 million from that fight alone.


I understand these guys aren't making nearly as much as boxer's make, but MMA is a growing sport, and the UFC also pays for all of the marketing and promotion for every fight. Money that a boxer would pay his promoter to do.

and you don't think that half a mill is abysmal considering the current popularity,the ppv numbers, and the live gate? half a mill?for one of the faces and the heavyweight champion of the world?

[Miburo]

But White is not the guy in the main event pocketing all of the money. The money top UFC fighters make is rising every year. It may never get to a boxing level of $20 million a fight, but who knows.

You can't compare the earning of one sport to the other. Some avergae baseball players make 200-400 a year and have to play game upon game, but an average fighter can make that for a single fight.

Exactly: Top fighters, the 1% I left out. Not even necessarily meaning the best, but the most marketable. And if he's lucky he can tie them up in non-negotiable long-term contracts (like Rich Franklin) before they become champion so as to continue to pay them peanuts. The gap between the rank and file and the top stars (of which there are only a handful receiving top pay) is massive. There really is almost no middle ground, though lately several of the top fighters coming over from Pride managed to negotiate well before starting to fight in the organization.

Additionally the UFC can end a fighter's contract at any time on a whim for doing anything they dislike (see Lindland the t-shirt incident). At least when a name boxer loses he isn't at a huge risk of never being allowed to fight on a serious stage ever again. The monopolistic tendencies of the UFC are neither good for the fighters nor MMA in general.

[Vladimir303]

Dana is right. I'll just watched UFC 92 the other night, and their presentation is much better than any PPV boxing card we've had lately.

They had a lot of high profile fights in no particular order throughout the card.. so you had to stick around and practically watch the whole thing so you would'nt miss the "good" fights.

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Yes but how much are those "good" fighters getting paid on the undercards???

See in todays boxing, a solid main-event caliber fighter will ask for alot of money, money that he deserves and the promoter might not pay him. So that fighter would have to wait for another card and be the main event himself in order to get paid.

In the UFC, like the WWE you're part of a stable. You have a contract with them and you get what you get. No negotiating. In other words, they can put the UFC heavyweight champion on the undercard while giving the main event slot to old ass Ken Shamrock and paying him the most.

Whatever they think will get them more PPV buys. At the end of the day, the more PPV they sell, the more Dana White gets paid. The fighter only gets what he is guaranteed in the contract for being part of the stable. And perhaps a bonus if he wins.

[Miburo]

and you don't think that half a mill is abysmal considering the current popularity,the ppv numbers, and the live gate? half a mill?for one of the faces and the heavyweight champion of the world?

Couture and Liddell, being far and away the two marquee names in the history of organization, have managed to get themselves cuts of the PPV revenue in the past (almost unheard of for a UFC fighter), so they don't tend to fall into the same class as the remainder.

[NAPO]

Dana is right. I'll just watched UFC 92 the other night, and their presentation is much better than any PPV boxing card we've had lately.

They had a lot of high profile fights in no particular order throughout the card.. so you had to stick around and practically watch the whole thing so you would'nt miss the "good" fights.

Boxing sticks to the same formula, big mismatches on the undercard and then the main event. The reason for this is that promoters try to protect their talented fighters. They want their fighter to make it to the top with "0" losses on their record. But this means nothing if you fight nothing but tomato cans. Just look at JCC Jr.

The most accurate thing Dana said is that boxing is not investing in the future. Hopefully this will soon change, and Dana's criticism will wake boxing promoters up.

The only thing I would say to Dana is that it's easy to invest in his company when his top fighters are paid peanuts compared to what top boxers make. What does a top fighter make in the UFC? A couple hundred thousand per fight? Dana can invest right back in his company cause he ****s his fighters. This is the reason guys like Tito Ortiz and Randy Couture have left the UFC in disgust.

We'll see if Dana's fighters will continue accept so little to risk their lives in the octagon. Time will tell.

his right.

[Dan...]

The thing that disgusts me most about UFC is how poorly the fighters are paid. I cannot understand how fans of the sport can just sit there and watch the fighters get exploited to that extent. It is ridiculous.

[BIGPOPPAPUMP]

and you don't think that half a mill is abysmal considering the current popularity,the ppv numbers, and the live gate? half a mill?for one of the faces and the heavyweight champion of the world?

UFC winners used to make 100-150 to winner a tourney. That was back when a guy fought 2 to 4 times per night.