Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Juan Diaz Getting Closer

[MakeDamnSure]

Pac didn't have to do anything. He chose to fight Diaz and then DLH. I would've preferred to see him fight JMM for a third time, but Pac's level of opposition has been high, so I won't complain. The exact same thing is true of Marquez however, as you'd accept if you had a little more objectivity.

I'm not sure why you mention Hatton, last I checked, Pac hadn't even signed to fight him, let alone actually beaten him.

JMM stepped up in weight to challenge Barrera. Pac stepped up in weight to fight David Diaz. I know which impressed me more, but whatever...

If we're talking about shot fighters and inactivity, Pac's last opponent matches that description just as well as Casamayor does, if not better. The JMM fight was Casamayor's third in the space of 10 months.

Oh and by the way, when are you going to pay people all those points that you owe them? And when are you going to stop using your Sonic Flood alt to troll NSB with ******ed anti-Mexican threads?

You should know the difference because Pac was a total underdog who have to moved 17 pounds and we didn't know if he could hurt a giant. Marquez was the favorite in all those fights..

[Clegg]

You should know the difference because Pac was a total underdog who have to moved 17 pounds and we didn't know if he could hurt a giant. Marquez was the favorite in all those fights..

Is that how we're rating things now?

JMM is considered the 2nd or 3rd best fighter in the world. Unless he decided to face Margarito or something ****** like that, he's going to be the favourite no matter who he fights.

But if you insist, Diaz was a bigger underdog against Pac than Casamayor was against JMM. So JMM had the better win, right?

And Buster Douglas is an ATG, because Ali, Robinson, Leonard, Armstrong...none of those overcame 42-1 odds.

[MakeDamnSure]

Is that how we're rating things now?

JMM is considered the 2nd or 3rd best fighter in the world. Unless he decided to face Margarito or something ****** like that, he's going to be the favourite no matter who he fights.

But if you insist, Diaz was a bigger underdog against Pac than Casamayor was against JMM. So JMM had the better win, right?

And Buster Douglas is an ATG, because Ali, Robinson, Leonard, Armstrong...none of those overcame 42-1 odds.

Marquez is not n ATG.. Didn't you see the poll here? It was a one sided NO!.. Alright he had close fights against Pacquiao so that makes him an ATG? NO! Then Chris John should be HOF then.. His resume sucks and he had a bad management with.. He had the chance to rematch Pac immediately and fought Morales but he overpriced himself for 30k dollars and lost.

Diaz is underdog right but Casamayor ducked Diaz his number 1 mandatory. David Diaz knock Sta. Cruz out which he beat Casamayor easily.

[Clegg]

Marquez is not n ATG.. Didn't you see the poll here? It was a one sided NO!.. Alright he had close fights against Pacquiao so that makes him an ATG? NO! Then Chris John should be HOF then.. His resume sucks and he had a bad management with.. He had the chance to rematch Pac immediately and fought Morales but he overpriced himself for 30k dollars and lost.

Diaz is underdog right but Casamayor ducked Diaz his number 1 mandatory. David Diaz knock Sta. Cruz out which he beat Casamayor easily.

Where did I say that JMM was an ATG? You misread/misunderstood my post.

And the 'Casa ducked Diaz' thing is beside the point. You are trying to argue that the betting odds on a fight should have a big influence on how highly we rate the winner. I am pointing out the flaw in that viewpoint.

[BennyST]

Clegg...

So, it's Sonic Flood is it? I thought there was quite a similar style of daftness. Sadly, some people will just never be able to see past their own blindness. Oh well.

This is one of those cases in which you could present every possible fact but he will just keep on coming up with the same lame excuses and statements time after time.

Why bag out a great fighter? Is it simply because he is Pac's nemesis? Or is it that a lot of people thought Marquez should have won and that makes them hate the fighter? I don't know, but I do know that bagging one guy for fighting the fights he did without making the same comparison to your favourite fighter when he does the same thing is biased nut-huggery at it's best. The very simple fact is that both of these guys have been fighting the toughest opponents out there. Pretending that one is fighting old, shot fighters while another isn't is ****ed up. I'm just glad there are still some people that can see past the ****e.

[Addition]

marquez should fight david diaz. look how nuts people went when pac beat him. im assuming they will do the same for marquez............

stop fighting bums like casamayor and diaz marquez!

Your ******ity has no bounds.

This should be a great fight, i'm favouring JMM.

[Clegg]

Clegg...

So, it's Sonic Flood is it? I thought there was quite a similar style of daftness. Sadly, some people will just never be able to see past their own blindness. Oh well.

This is one of those cases in which you could present every possible fact but he will just keep on coming up with the same lame excuses and statements time after time.

Why bag out a great fighter? Is it simply because he is Pac's nemesis? Or is it that a lot of people thought Marquez should have won and that makes them hate the fighter? I don't know, but I do know that bagging one guy for fighting the fights he did without making the same comparison to your favourite fighter when he does the same thing is biased nut-huggery at it's best. I'm just glad there are still some people that can see past the ****e.

Yeah, I don't really understand it to be honest. The worse he makes JMM look, the worse Pacquiao looks, because JMM gave him 2 very close fights.

It would be like someone trying to prove that Morales is great, by arguing that Barrera is a B level fighter. Just doesn't make sense.

[BennyST]

Your ******ity has no bounds.

This should be a great fight, i'm favouring JMM.

I still can't decide on who I favour in this fight? I think whoever wins it will be a very close, hard fought victory. Diaz, if he can get inside and stay there, will probably be able to out-work Marquez who would need to fight off of Diaz' mistakes. The one thing I see here though is that Marquez is a small guy. He doesn't have the frame to be jumping up weights and lightweight is already a little bit too big for him. He was small against Casa, and Casa was always the smaller guy in his fights.

If Marquez can keep Diaz on the outside then he should run up a pretty good fight early and then try to simply box and keep Diaz from getting inside towards the latter half of the fight. If he can do this he has a chance of winning. But, if Diaz can simply bull through Marquez ad rough him up on the inside then it could be a hard night for him. I don't think either guy will go down as both have great chins. It will come down to whether Diaz can simply out-work Marquez or whether Marquez can get the better work done on the outside and make Diaz pay with counters while keeping him from getting inside.

Either way, this will be a huge fight and no doubt a great one. A unification fight with whoever wins out of Campbell/Funeka will be massive as well. It would leave no doubt as to the true lightweight champion which has become a rare thing in boxing today. Funeka is quite possibly overlooked though as a threat. He is a very good fighter with a big chance at the upset. Campbell will have to be at his best to beat him. Hard fight for everyone here.

[Ramamaiden]

wow...what a great matchup.
this is a fight that could go either way.

[DrewWoodside]

A potential fight between lightweights Juan Manuel Marquez and Juan Diaz is getting closer. The fight has been in talks at one point or another since Marquez stopped Joel Casamayor in September. Richard Schaefer, CEO for Golden Boy Promotions, tells Dan Rafael that both fighters have agreed to the fight, which will take place on February 28 on HBO or at some point in March. [details]

This is going to be another razor thin decision where both parties ***** and whine to high heaven.