Who ranks higher on your ATG list?

[larryx]

Topic creator is a joke, he swears bhop is a ****ty old 43 year old. Bhop looks like a better fighter now then he ever was. Bhop destroyed tarver, pavlik... Wow... what an old man!!! Hilarious

****, I probably only hate Oscar because of posters like this who swear bhop is an oridnary 43 yr old.

let me see hum!!!you're the one who keeps mentioning bhop..you have to be dumb saying a 43 year old man is prime..hes still above average but far from prime hopkins...that just how good he is

[Flawless 2]

Oscars best wins are over Mosley Tito

[keepthemhandsup]

oscar has more money than Joe C




just saying

[daggum]

imagine if oscar had stayed at welterweight and defended his wbo belt against 20 michael jennings type fighters then moved up to 154 and "Beat" 2 old legends. should have done that oscar!

[Thread Stealer]

Oscars best wins are over Mosley Tito

If DLH had gotten the decision over Mosley in the rematch, I don't know if it'd still be ranked that high. I guess it helps that Mosley injected his body with EPO and steroids, but still. He was at a low point in his career. He hadn't won a fight in over 2 years. He hadn't been in top form like he was before the first fight with Forrest.

[Dan...]

Danc - this is a real good question but I want to preface my opinion with something that I think people on these boards are forgetting:

A resume consists of accomplishments, not attempts.

Yes, we know he fought everybody but did he beat everybody? When poring over a resume, you look at the quality of the accomplishment. In boxing that means who they beat and when they beat them.

Joe Calzaghe's best wins are over:

1. Bernard Hopkins.
Not a prime version but still a damn good one. However, the fight could've gone either way. Close as it was, I felt the decision was just and proof that that the Welshman was not a game.

2. Mikkel Kessler
A solid win over a fighter who has beaten decent opposition. We still don't know what we have in Kessler but he's better than the usual suspects and was the best fighter available for Joe in a division where both had a strong case to be declared the man.

Oscar's are:

1. Ike Quartey
Quartey was an undefeated champ (whether he had the belt or not) who, despite coming off a coming off a 14-month layoff, was still his best opponent to date. They fought nip and tuck throughout and though the one point victory I had for Ike was too close to be called a robbery, I thought the rounds I scored were pretty clear. I can't argue with who closed the fight like a champ.

2. Fernando Vargas
Vargas was still solid though no longer the warrior who outboxed Quartey. He gave Oscar a tougher time than most expected but I also remember not many people picking Oscar to stop him either. And it was a thrilling bout.

I think those accomplishments are pretty close. The difference is when you look at the rest of their resumes. Oscar's list of solid wins are in no way ATG IMO but there are HOF. Calzaghe's are as well but not quite as impressive. Molina, Hernandez, Ruelas, and even tough victories like Oba Carr (though Oscar fought his ass years late too!) are a tad better than Lacy, Eubank, Sheika, etc. Calzaghe can easily switch that around by cementing his legacy and beating Chad Dawson while Oscar continues to pick on kids in the sandbox.

Dude I know he was a little past it but does Pernell not even warrant a mention?

[Dan...]

imagine if oscar had stayed at welterweight and defended his wbo belt against 20 michael jennings type fighters then moved up to 154 and "Beat" 2 old legends. should have done that oscar!

Through your usual Calzaghe-hating dribble you actually may raise a reasonable point here. Oscar took risks. He fought the "Roy Jones" of his division in Felix Trinidad and he was prepared to move up several weight classes to get big challenges.

[Dan...]

let me see hum!!!you're the one who keeps mentioning bhop..you have to be dumb saying a 43 year old man is prime..hes still above average but far from prime hopkins...that just how good he is

I wouldn't bother with that fool. He is about 9 years old and knows practically nothing about boxing.

[IMDAZED]

Dude I know he was a little past it but does Pernell not even warrant a mention?

A little? I think he won one fight after that. And it wasn't quite a great performance by Oscar either.

[cace]

Vote. Personally I don't thik it is really that close.

u are right its not even remotely close
oscar higher atg by a mile