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    #21
    Originally posted by Flawless 2 View Post
    Every test??

    Kessler (unproven)
    Hopkins 43 years old and he has a case he won the fight
    Than that leaves us Eubank
    he fought almost every top 168 fighter with the exception of sven ottke.

    he beat all the beltholders and former beltholders. who else you want him to fight?

    toney and jones was not at 168 anymore by the time joe had a 168 belt. if you say he should have moved up to 175 to meet roy......why didn't bernard move up to 168 to meet joe?

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      #22
      HOF. I'll consider him for ATG if he beats Jones and takes out Dawson.

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        #23
        Originally posted by Left Hook Tua View Post
        he fought almost every top 168 fighter with the exception of sven ottke.

        he beat all the beltholders and former beltholders. who else you want him to fight?

        toney and jones was not at 168 anymore by the time joe had a 168 belt. if you say he should have moved up to 175 to meet roy......why didn't bernard move up to 168 to meet joe?
        Name those very hard test he has faced??

        Does Eubank count??

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          #24
          calzaghe was king of the 168 division.
          thats like being king of a landfill.

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            #25
            Meh, he's a great fighter, but not an All Time Great fighter. Without a doubt a very good HOF'er and probably the best ever SMW, which kind of puts him up there with the greats, but he still just misses out slightly on being a true ATG.

            Nonetheless, he's a superb fighter and anyone that tries to take anything away from him with the usual pathetic excuses is just daft. He's a great fighter. End of story. He's certainly getting close to being an ATG though and his win over Hopkins shows that as Hop still definitely had some serious fight left in him and showed that he could beat anyone in and around his division except Calzaghe with the serious schooling of the young MW champ in Pavlik.

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              #26
              Originally posted by Flawless 2 View Post
              Name those very hard test he has faced??

              Does Eubank count??
              Well i think it is a good win IMO,cause Eubank was the former champion when Calzaghe fought him and a very good test for any fighter especially one as young as Calzaghe was at the time !
              I just cant fathom how Pavlic would be completive against Calzaghe !
              And his fight last night against Hopkins compounded it for us!
              Pavlic just dont fight well against crafty counter punchers,infact he didnt have a clue did he! ?
              How could anybody possibly pic him against Calzaghe whos younger/fresher and moves even better then hopkins!?
              Pavlic needs to go backdown to Middle and keep his feet on the ground!

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                #27
                Originally posted by Flawless 2 View Post
                Name those very hard test he has faced??

                Does Eubank count??
                eubank was a good fighter , flaw.

                so was guys like reid , brewer and byron.

                joe schooled my favorite 168 fighter back in the days too...... the great omar sheika.

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by Flawless 2 View Post
                  You really call those fights a test?? Aren't you the one who claims Kessler hand was hurt before the Calzaghe bout and did not sparr
                  This post is being ducked by BattheMan

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by daggum View Post
                    calzaghe was king of the 168 division.
                    thats like being king of a landfill.
                    Kinda like the 160's today?

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                      #30
                      Originally posted by Flawless 2 View Post
                      Every test??

                      Kessler (unproven)
                      Hopkins 43 years old and he has a case he won the fight
                      Than that leaves us Eubank
                      Originally posted by Flawless 2 View Post
                      This post is being ducked by BattheMan
                      No. I just think you're acting like a ****** troll.

                      Calzaghe won over Kessler. Even on my biased card.
                      Calzaghe won over Hopkins.
                      Battheman won over flawless.

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