Kelly Pavlik Disputes Joe Calzaghe's Fight Claims

[TheGreatA]

I doubt Calzaghe offered Pavlik a fight back when he beat Lacy (2006). It doesn't make any sense.

Few knew who Pavlik was until he destroyed Miranda. Why would Calzaghe try to fight a rather unknown middleweight?

Whether Calzaghe offered the fight then or not, does it really matter? It makes sense to fight Pavlik now, or atleast if they both win their next fights. There's really no reason for Calzaghe to make these claims unless he is trying to hype the fight up or something.

[Kris Silver]

Neither guys lying. Joes not ****** enough to lie about such a thing repeatedly. He knows he'd get ridiculed for it whether it was true or not, and he is. It's true. Pavliks a bit slow to deny the claims.

Neither guy is lying because team Calzaghe offered team Pavlik the fight, true.

Kelly Pavlik did not turn down the fight.

Team Pavlik did, and like many of his potential opponents, didn't tell him a thing.

Quite a logical sensible assessment really when you think about it. Why isn't Bob Arum denying it for eg?

[IMDAZED]

Neither guys lying. Joes not ****** enough to lie about such a thing repeatedly. He knows he'd get ridiculed for it whether it was true or not, and he is. It's true. Pavliks a bit slow to deny the claims.

Neither guy is lying because team Calzaghe offered team Pavlik the fight, true.

Kelly Pavlik did not turn down the fight.

Team Pavlik did, and like many of his potential opponents, didn't tell him a thing.

Quite a logical sensible assessment really when you think about it. Why isn't Bob Arum denying it for eg?

It's logical if you're a Calzaghe fan but the truth is...no one knows.

I mean, in your post on the other thread you said it was true because Pavlik hadn't denied it. Now that he has, you're asking if Arum has denied it.

[Kris Silver]

It's logical if you're a Calzaghe fan but the truth is...no one knows.

I mean, in your post on the other thread you said it was true because Pavlik hadn't denied it. Now that he has, you're asking if Arum has denied it.

I did indeed. Calzaghe said he offered Pavlik 2 fights like weeks ago if not longer. Surely if it was untrue Pavlik would immediately deny it in the press? He didn't.

Now, I'll take on the accusation of bias. A lot of folks summary is essentially, Calzaghe says this, I don't believe him. Pavliks said this weeks later denying it, I do believe him and that's proof.

That's bias.

What I'm saying is completely different, more objective and reasonable on both guys.

Team Calzaghe did indeed offer team Pavlik 2 fights.

Kelly Pavlik DID NOT turn down the fight in fairness to him.

However, his team did.

I'm quite stunned people put 2 and 2 together and instead of coming up with 4, get either -39 or +253.

Both guys have talked some **** in the past like most boxers, but it's unlikely Joe would invent something and repeatedly say it knowing he'll get **** for it. It's unlikely Pavlik would be lying as he's not really like it, but I'm afraid not much more to back him up. If anything I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.

Stop the he said, he's lying **** kids. Neither guys lying, fight offers get lost amongst the large teams and politics of the boxing business, it's nothing new.

[deanrw]

Warren and Arum were putting the building blocks together to make the fight, then Joe dumped Warren. Warren even admitted Arum was trying to make the fight happen.

[MaTTuP]

Calzaghe is a disgrace to boxing. His undefeated record is built on the backs of highly untested Euro talent. Up till 4 maybe 5 fights ago everyone he fought was really unknown UK guys. I'm not trying to start a huge feud with the European fans but the UK isn't notorious for producing great fighters. At least nothing like US, Mexico, Puerto Rico, Cuba, etc. He has the nerve to call BHop old now that Pavlik is fighting him.
As far as I'm concerned he's pathetic. Pavlik would run through his slaps and KO his ass within a couple rounds. It's obviously under his skin or he wouldn't be crying about Pavlik. Oh well, I guess some things will never change.

Let him have his match with RJJ that absolutely noone seems to have interest in.

[IMDAZED]

I did indeed. Calzaghe said he offered Pavlik 2 fights like weeks ago if not longer. Surely if it was untrue Pavlik would immediately deny it in the press? He didn't.

Now, I'll take on the accusation of bias. A lot of folks summary is essentially, Calzaghe says this, I don't believe him. Pavliks said this weeks later denying it, I do believe him and that's proof.

That's bias.

What I'm saying is completely different, more objective and reasonable on both guys.

Team Calzaghe did indeed offer team Pavlik 2 fights.

Kelly Pavlik DID NOT turn down the fight in fairness to him.

However, his team did.

I'm quite stunned people put 2 and 2 together and instead of coming up with 4, get either -39 or +253.

Both guys have talked some **** in the past like most boxers, but it's unlikely Joe would invent something and repeatedly say it knowing he'll get **** for it. It's unlikely Pavlik would be lying as he's not really like it, but I'm afraid not much more to back him up. If anything I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.

Stop the he said, he's lying **** kids. Neither guys lying, fight offers get lost amongst the large teams and politics of the boxing business, it's nothing new.

How do you know all this?

Just curious as to when you were privy to all these details or if you're speculating?

because you're speculation all stems from the fact that you believe Calzaghe when he said he offered the fight...right or wrong?

[BetterCallSaul]

America didn't become the world power it is by telling the truth.

Thus by comparing Americas status on a global scale to a totally non-relevant subject on boxing, I can divulge that Pavlik is indeed lying.

[Danny Gunz]

I dont understand his claims Calzaghe said he offered him a fight after his lacy fight in 2006 and then again after he beat taylor.

Why would he offer pavlik a fight in 2006 when no one even heard of him.

And even if he did offer him a fight after the first taylor fight it wouldnt matter cause taylor took the rematch clause in the contract.

And calzaghe keeps pointing out that pavlik fought a below average fighter in gary lockett, wasnt lockett a mandatory fight its not like pavlik went oout of his way for that fight.

[Kris Silver]

How do you know all this?

Just curious as to when you were privy to all these details or if you're speculating?

because you're speculation all stems from the fact that you believe Calzaghe when he said he offered the fight...right or wrong?

When did I say I know it all for sure? I didn't. Isn't all anyones doing is speculating? Do you know any different for sure? No. So why keep posting stuff like that, not providing anything new just saying, how do you know. The entire point is we don't. I provided I think quite a fair and logical assessment on both parties. Neither is lying because if you think about it, it'd be unbelievably ****** for Joe to invent such a thing and keep saying it. He knows he'll get **** for it no matter if it's true or not. I can't back Pavlik up as much as he's delayed denying it and nothing logically points to why he wouldn't just say, not true. However, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. No one has to be lying all the time people. Neither guy is lying, the fight offer got lost amongst Pavliks team. So in fairness to Pavlik he never turned the fight down. But he's been shown to be naive and un informed on his potential opponents before, and it's happened here. Neither guy is lying.

Hardly a radical or unfair assessment of it all on either sides. That's it thought IMDAZED, take it or leave it I'm not gona keep replying you, when you offer nothing new and just say how do you know. You could do that to any of the posts in this thread.