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Roy Jones Jr.'s Plan For Calzaghe...Good or Bad?
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Originally posted by filth View Postroy better save some gas though, if he can't get rid of calzaghe he'll have to try and decision him, not by throwing one punch per round and then crying about he was robbed like ber-nard did. the roy that beat hanshaw and knocked him down has a good chance of beating JC, roy's never fought anyone like joe, but joe's never fought anyone like roy either. this will probably be the first time joe's seen someone faster than him, as long as roy doesn't just lay on the ropes and take slaps, he could win by SD or maybe even UD if it looks like he's landing the cleaner shots. roy needs to get those early rounds in the bank to win
I also think some of the rounds could be a little bit hard to score similar to the Hopkins fight where Hopkins was arguably landing the cleaner shots but Calzaghe was throwing more but the punches weren't landing as clean but Jones' shots are flashier than Hopkins' so that would work in his favor.
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Originally posted by Silencers View PostI think we'll see more of Jones' jab in this fight so that he can perhaps get some rest by keeping Calzaghe at distance if he does start fast, I also think he needs to get Calzaghe's respect early similar to what Hopkins was able to do early.
I also think some of the rounds could be a little bit hard to score similar to the Hopkins fight where Hopkins was arguably landing the cleaner shots but Calzaghe was throwing more but the punches weren't landing as clean but Jones' shots are flashier than Hopkins' so that would work in his favor.
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Originally posted by filth View Postsome of the rounds of hops- calzaghe looked like a pickup truck agianst a sportscar. ber-nard did land a some nice shots but just got outworked, jones won't throw as much as calzaghe but i bet he'll land more clean counters than hopkins, like you said, making the fight very hard to score... damn son, you're pretty smart
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Originally posted by abadger View PostIf a 43 year old can be Ring LHW champion, why can't a 39 year old? If a 43 year old can be still in the P4P top 10, why can't a 39 year old? If a 43 year old can have never been stopped in his career, why can't a 39 year old?
If Andre Dirrell can TKO Anthony Hanshaw in 5, why can't a (now) 39 year old?
Herein lies Roy's problem.
>Jones beat Hopkins when Hopkins was better, Joe could not do it very convincingly now. That's simple.
>The TKO and KO came back to back, a result of a lucky shot from Tarver that got Roy to be leary of hard punches, etc....and turned into a defensive only effort against Johnson that resulted in finally getting caught by one of the 1000 hard punches Glenn threw that night.
>Dirrell stopped a Hanshaw that slacked off after a payday with Jones Jr. and Roy played with this kid all night in Billoxi. I was at the fight and Rjj could have ended this anytime he wanted. That is not to mention that he had stitches put in his eye the day or two before the fight from a basketball injury.
You should really be hyping up Jones as being the best ever in an attempt to get Joe more credit if he does win this fight. I don't think he will anyways, but we will see.
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Originally posted by IMDAZED View PostSome of you are really underestimating Joe Calzaghe's power. Not only is he heavy-handed, he's capable of hurting you with one punch--to the head or body. The man hits hard - to paraphrase Alton Merkerson today, how can a long-time champ with 30-something KO's in 45 wins not have power? Doesn't make any sense.
The trick here is that Calzaghe doesn't throw those one-hitter quitters a lot. When he throws them, he needs time to set and actually sit on it. But it's freaking hard. And takes some time to develop. Aside from those power shots (and his jab), the pride of Wales DOES slap often. Sorry Joe fans, it's true...and has been true since the day he won the title.
I suspect Jones plans to block the slaps and move when Joe sets his feet to throw the hard shots. Hopkins did that for awhile but couldn't sustain it. Can Jones? He'll have to try, which is what makes the fight intriguing. So that he doesn't kill himself by moving more than he's countering - a strategy that will surely wear him down - Jones will be forced to stand and trade more, and be willing to counter WHILE Calzaghe is throwing. Risky Business. If he's smart, he'll counter while Joe isn't turning his punches over; a dig to the body here, a left upstairs there.
The truth of the matter is, this is not about Jones-Calzaghe as much as it is answering the question (once and for all) "Is Roy Jones Shot?" Because if he is, he's losing - which does nothing for either fighter but put money in their pockets. If he's not shot, how much is left in the tank? And can it sustain him against the most consistent assault he'll meet since Glen Johnson? The blueprint's on the table but so far no one has been up to the task.
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i think RJ will probably come into the ring doin the OPPOSITE of what he just said lol...
i think hes just trying to fool us all into thinking its going to be a massive brawl type of fight with one fighter on the ropes and the other attacking. he might just come into the ring and stay OFF teh ropes. but hey, i might be wrong...
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There's been some interesting views and points expressed and I kind of fall in between on quite a few of them. I too think Roy is being underrated. A lot of people may call that foolish, but think about it for a moment.
This is a guy whom was p4p #1 for years, one of the best boxers this sport has seen, frightening speed even at this age, a great boxing brain and tactics, the confidence and style to adapt and overcome.
He beat a top LHW after losing a lot of weight, and in the rematch got knocked out with an unlucky punch on his weak chin. Johnson is also a top LHW and Roy was competitive, he just didn't deal with his pressure well with his confidence dented, and the power got to him.
Since that he's been largely written off for those losses, mostly because it's a shock to see such a hero character lose in devastating fashion and he's just not quite the unbelievably great fighter he was.
Well hang on, of course he's not he was ridiculously great, now he's just good/great. Not a huge down grade really, he's still an elite boxer, has had some good wins, one over Tito when he even has a serious arm injury. He's still quick, fit, powerful, with a great boxing brain, tactics and ability to adapt and overcome opponents.
Calzaghe is 36 himself aswell, and it's the first time he's faced someone with as quick hands, let alone someone with quicker hands. Calzaghe's also not faced many opponents with such immensely good boxing brains and tactics before. Hopkins is, but he can't adapt like Roy still can fairly well.
Calzaghe I guess does have one punch KO power when you consider, if the guy was coming in, he landed a rare hard punch in a perfect spot and angle it might do. This is unlikely though he might be less cautious with his hands in his last fight. However, he rarely knocks out opponents period, why should that be a major advantage for Roy, when he has a weak chin. Surely that just means if his shots can trouble guys like Kessler and Lacy whom are tougher, it could well still enough to harm Roy.
I still have Calzaghe winning by a clear UD, but it won't be easy like many make out. I hope people realise and accept Roy performed well because I have faith he will. It depends who shows up though. Confidence is key, and I see the first hard ish shot landing as a major boost to whomever lands it, and it possibly getting the better of the other.
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That fight plan sounds so bad... sounds like it would lead to money being shelled out for jones hospital bills..
Fighting off the ropes for Jones does NOT GET TO THE MONEY!!
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