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    #61
    bump............................

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      #62
      Originally posted by Executioner54 View Post
      Abraham's defense and power are impressive. I would give Abraham a slight edge but tough one to call.
      tough one to call, if abraham thinks he is gonna be in defense mode all night,
      he is gonna get pavlik will come and let those hands go,
      plus he is tall and those 1-2 combinations will break abraham's jaw once again

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        #63
        Originally posted by abadger View Post
        I just think that there has been a bit of a gap between the perception of how good Taylot and Miranda are and how good they actually are, and that that gap has flattered Pavlik a little.

        He is good, and I hope he gets better, I just don't think he's really the P4P guy that some make out.
        Miranda I'll give you, although he frickin' BEAT Abraham in their first fight, no matter what the judges said. (Everyone seems to be suffering from memory loss concerning that first bout.)

        Taylor twice bested Hopkins (who was 3 years younger and much better than the version Calzaghe squeaked by) and fought to a draw against Winky, another top P4P guy. It boggles my mind that you are so dismissive of Kelly's two wins over him.

        Also, for everyone saying that Jermain Taylor hurt Kelly....yes, he did, but Pavlik had dropped his gloves and began to do some uncharacteristic showboating when he got caught. He will not make that mistake again, and I see very few (if any) guys being able to hurt him otherwise. Just ask Nate Campbell what can happen when you get a little too ****y for your own good (Robbie Peden, anyone?).

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          #64
          Originally posted by Steel Town USA View Post
          Miranda I'll give you, although he frickin' BEAT Abraham in their first fight, no matter what the judges said. (Everyone seems to be suffering from memory loss concerning that first bout.)

          Taylor twice bested Hopkins (who was 3 years younger and much better than the version Calzaghe squeaked by) and fought to a draw against Winky, another top P4P guy. It boggles my mind that you are so dismissive of Kelly's two wins over him.

          Also, for everyone saying that Jermain Taylor hurt Kelly....yes, he did, but Pavlik had dropped his gloves and began to do some uncharacteristic showboating when he got caught. He will not make that mistake again, and I see very few (if any) guys being able to hurt him otherwise. Just ask Nate Campbell what can happen when you get a little too ****y for your own good (Robbie Peden, anyone?).

          i agree 100%

          i dont understand how Abraham nuthuggers try to discredit pavliks win when the best fighter abraham faced was miranda!

          also the fact that miranda/abraham are 1-1 makes me think- wtf

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            #65
            I'm not sold on Pavlik. I like the guy- he's fairly humble, doesn't talk ****- works hard in the ring to win. Who can't appreciate that? Still, some of the flaws I see worry me. He has a tendency to get caught- and I'm not just referring to the Taylor fight. Here's my thing:

            I'm fairly sure that Pavlik was done against McKart. If so, that's something to worry about. Does anyone have that fight? I don't need someone confirming or denying that he was on the canvas, I'd like to re watch the fight. I don't remember what type of punch it was, or how hurt Kelly was- I'm just fairly sure that I recall seeing the footage before Pavlik's fight with Taylor- and that he got hurt. Any help?

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              #66
              This is a match-up that's got to happen. Soon.

              Pavlik will not be able to kayo AA. Heck nobody can! But he can win a decision if he settles down and dominate AA from a distance. AA has a bad habit of taking large chunks of rounds off and that's got to cost him at some point down the line and if Pavlik is the first big name to try AA he might win a decision on sheer workrate.

              Of course AA will always be dangerous. Right untill the final bell. So a KO for AA cannot be ruled out as Pavlik seems a little fragile on the whiskers.

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                #67
                I picked Pavlik by decision, but it could possible end by late TKO.

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                  #68
                  Pavlik by decision. I think he'll take what Abraham gives him (no ****) and he'll just outwork Arthur. Abraham is a good fighter, he'll certainly have his moments, but I think Pavlik will emerge victorious.

                  Kelly's underrated body attack will set him apart in this fight.

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                    #69
                    Originally posted by oldgringo View Post
                    Pavlik by decision. I think he'll take what Abraham gives him (no ****) and he'll just outwork Arthur. Abraham is a good fighter, he'll certainly have his moments, but I think Pavlik will emerge victorious.

                    Kelly's underrated body attack will set him apart in this fight.
                    If Kelly Pavlik beats Abraham it will quell much of my doubt in him. Still, nobody with that McKart knockdown?

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                      #70
                      Originally posted by oldgringo View Post
                      Pavlik by decision. I think he'll take what Abraham gives him (no ****) and he'll just outwork Arthur. Abraham is a good fighter, he'll certainly have his moments, but I think Pavlik will emerge victorious.

                      Kelly's underrated body attack will set him apart in this fight.
                      i agree , but see maybe a late ko/tko for pavlik, or the ud.

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